Margo Jefferson, a Pulitzer Prize winner, has written for The New York Times, Newsweek, and Harper's. Her latest book is Negroland: A Memoir. “One of the problems with—burdens of—‘race conversations’ in this country is certain ideological, political, sociological narratives keep getting imposed. This is where the conversation should go, these are the roles we need. In a way, this is the comfort level of my discomfort. ... Maybe we’re all somewhat addicted—I think we are—to certain racial conversations, with their limitations and their conventions.” Thanks to MailChimp and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode. Show Notes: @jeffersonmargo Jefferson on Longform Jefferson's New York Times archive Brownscast: The Official Podcast of the Cleveland Browns [19:00] On Michael Jackson (Pantheon • 2006) [20:00] "Critic Jefferson Stays in Off-Broadway Negroland through November" (David Lefkowitz • Playbill • Nov 2001) [29:00] "Thomas Bradshaw by Margo Jefferson: An interview" (BOMB • 2009) [31:00] The Hunger of Memory: The Education of Richard Rodriguez (Richard Rodriguez • Bantam Books • 1982) [31:00] Days of Obligation: An Argument with My Mexican Father (Richard Rodriguez • Penguin • 1993) [31:00] Brown: The Last Discovery of America (Richard Rodriguez • Penguin • 2002) [31:00] The Women (Hilton Als • Farrar Straus Giroux • 1996) [31:00] Memories of a Catholic Girlhood (Mary McCarthy • Harvest/HBJ • 1957) [35:00] "Ripping Off Black Music From Thomas 'Daddy' Rice to Jimi Hendrix" (Harper's • Jan 1973) [sub req'd] [40:00] The Good Girls Revolt: How the Women of Newsweek Sued Their Bosses and Changed their Workplace (Lynn Povich • Perseus • 2012) [57:00] "The Reign of Beyoncé" (Vogue • Sept 2015) [106:00] "Books of the Times: The Scars of Disease, External and Internal" (The New York Times • Sept 1994) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices