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Gender Reveal

Episode 153: Katie Barnes

Gender Reveal

Tuck Woodstock

Lgbtq, Documentary, Queer, Personal Journals, Gender, Nonbinary, Society & Culture, Genderqueer, Transgender, Trans

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Tuck chats with sports journalist Katie Barnes (they/them). Topics include:

  • Will “the science” ever be settled re: trans athletes?
  • How coordinated are all these anti-trans sports bills?
  • Why most teams should be co-ed (and why most elite sports shouldn’t be)
  • What makes a bad interview question? (Asking for a friend lol)
  • Plus: Getting banned for your bones, interviewing trans kids, and a reminder that sports are hard!

This Week in Gender: Joan Summers on Barbie (2023)

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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: “Luka 75” “Single Still” & “Calgary Sweeps” by Blue Dot Sessions
Sponsors: Queer Candle Co. (promo code: GENDER10)

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:10.3

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0:13.6

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0:18.9

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0:22.5

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0:26.2

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0:30.7

So use code gender10 at checkout to get 10% off your first order at QueerCandleco.com.

0:37.3

Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding

0:57.0

what the hell gender is.

0:59.3

I'm your host and resident gender detective, TechWoodstock.

1:06.5

Hey everyone, hope you're all hanging in there.

1:13.6

This week on the show, I am very excited to share my conversation with Katie Barnes.

1:18.1

Katie is a reporter at ESPN and the author of Their Play, How Sports Shape the Gender

1:23.3

Debates, which comes out next month.

1:25.6

In this chat, Katie and I talk about who is behind all of these anti-trans sports bands,

1:31.1

how much we should be focusing on like the sawions when talking about trans issues in sports,

1:36.4

and why even the most well-intentioned conversations about this issue end up hurting trans kids

1:41.3

and other trans athletes.

1:43.2

Just by wanting to have a good faith conversation about eligibility criteria for elite sport,

1:50.3

like there is damage in doing that, because of the ways that we know policy trickles

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