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This week, Briahna spoke to Thomas Chatterton Williams & Batya Ungar-Sargon in one of the few substantive conversations on the internet about why Whoopi's claim that Jews are white, and the Holocaust wasn't about race. What work is the word "race" doing here? Is it possible to recognize the particularized nature of anti-Semitism and the fact that Nazi's saw Jews as raced while also acknowledging that Jews are "raced" differently in a contemporary American context? Last time he was on Bad Faith, Thomas & Brie discussed whether "raced" groups like Black Americans should stop identifying as Black and stop subscribing to the "one drop rule" which was conceived as a way to keep Black people enslaved. Are contemporary Jewish interlocutors who argue that Jews aren't white doubling down on a Nazi classification system and doing "race craft" in a way that's comparable to Black Americans subscribing to the slave owners idea that a drop of Black blood makes you Black? Should we all stop? Or does erasing race create certain risks for historically racialized groups? This is the kind of nuanced and heady conversation you'll find anywhere else.

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