Hello and welcome to the 150th episode of Franklin Covey's on leadership podcast series.

My name is Scott Miller and I serve as your host and interviewer each week.

You know, we like to create some milestones here.

So for our 50th interview, we featured Stephanie McMahon.

Many of you know her as the Chief Brand Officer of WWE World Wrestling Entertainment.

Her interview on leadership was absolutely fascinating and then we had Nick Voichich

as our 100th interview.

Many may, you know him as a bestselling author, motivational speaker.

Nick of course is that friend of ours that was born and lives with no arms and no legs,

no limbs at all and just being in his presence is captivating and who better to cap the

150th episode of our podcast series.

Then the author of the book The Gift of Forgiveness, Catherine Schwartzeniger-Prat, who joins us

today from her home, Catherine, welcome to on leadership.

Thank you so much, Nick, for having me.

Great to have you here, your mother of course, Maria Schriver, former first lady of California,

your father of course, on on Schwartzeniger.

We're delighted to have you here on the show today to talk about what you've learned

around this concept of forgiveness, right?

Things that we've all have experienced in our life, betrayal and trauma, you and your family

of course, as well being in the public eye perhaps more so than others of us that are able

to keep our own challenges maybe a little more private.

Your book is The Gift of Forgiveness, one of several books you've written, inspiring

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