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This episode contains discussions of weight loss methods and diet culture as well as brief mentions of child abuse. Listener discretion is advised.

It's one thing to start your own church, but this fervent leader created an intense group that slowly took over its members lives allegedly controlling who they married, how much they weighed and even what psychiatric medication they were allowed to take.

It looked like an empire that would continue to grow and last forever, then a sudden tragedy changed it all. What's next for this controversial group? This week's episode is Gwen Chamble and Laura in the way down diet, part 2.

Perhaps you're the victim of a witch's curse. It's hopeless. You're doomed. You'd call a priest if you could. You'd rather just listen to who sinister.

I'm going to kill you. Well, we always like to start off with thank yous. And I would like to thank I think this episode more than we've ever done. And this is 148.

We have received so many personal stories from listeners about how they related to the last episode, how they were touched by the things we said, how they really appreciated the way that we handled the subject matter.

And I just want to say thank you to everyone for sharing all of that with us because people often tell us, you know, you guys are so brave for talking about your your lives and struggles.

But we have a nice say offline a lot like one reason we're able to do that is because of the compassion and appreciation that it's met with from you guys. So thank you all for being so sweet and supportive that allows us to feel like we can be vulnerable with everybody.

And for being so open and all the messages and we got DMs, we got tagged and stuff and we had some some people were sending me pictures of them wearing tank tops and saying that they were on vacation and they were stressed out.

And I was on purpose. I was like, I'm showing the guns, suns out guns out, you know, despite I do have that insecurity about my arms. I'm like, we're all brave together. Like let's do it. We all deserve to be happy and wear whatever or not even be you know and someone else message, which I thought was such a great point of.

We do get so ingrained in our heads of you know saying well as long as you're healthy it's okay but people who aren't healthy also deserve to be loved people who aren't happy deserve to be loved.

And so I think this is really helped us and we always want to be better and you know, you know, people write in and say, oh, you know, this word upsets me or this word is, you know, technically means this well, we always want to be kinder with our words and with what we're saying.

And so I appreciate that all the outreach we've had we've also had experts writing to us, which I love that we've had social psychologists and psychologists therapists we've had nutritionist dieticians messaging and you know confirming oh my gosh or say and I can't believe someone was a registered registered

dietician and said, you know, it makes me like ashamed that she is taking our, you know, professional designation and basically using it to trick people and I said, you know, I feel the same way when there's, you know, dirty lawyers out there, you know, or dirty investment people, you know, Bernie made off and things like that.

When any time with somebody from your profession, you know, kind of tarnishes it. So people writing in and I'm like, you know, that just means your, your job is unfortunately that much harder but then also that much more precious because you have that responsibility, that professional designation that you can help people unlearn all this stuff. So like Chrissy said, thank you guys and we couldn't say, you know, it's not comfortable to say any of this without knowing that it's met with such kindness.

So I definitely appreciate all that because it's a sensitive subject and I think the world is hopefully going in the right direction, but it's still there's a billboard in Times Square right now someone son, and it says, are you fat and lazy and it has a, you know, bigger girls in a sports

bra kind of bent over sobbing and it's this Instagram influencer that's like, I can help you lose weight. You fat lazy jerks and it's just like, what are you thinking and then your post wrote about it and she shared the post articles like, thanks for helping me spread my message guys and it's like, let's read the room, I do.

Chrissy, so she's bigger and is have no no she's she's very thin she's targeting fat people. Yeah, and equating fatness with laziness, which we know is not true. No, an extreme fat phobia. Yeah, and Jamila Jamil's, you know, spoken out about it and some other folks as well. So as, like I said, I think we the response we've gotten from this has been lovely and hopefully helping people unlearn things that we've all had just beaten into our brains over the past, you know, multiple decades that we're all having to kind of come through.

This together, but clearly not over yet. Yeah, and to your point of dietician saying like I can't believe that she was one of us, we got some messages as far as from religious people as well that we're like, I just want you all to know like this is as a Christian, like I am horrified that someone would like act like the God that we pray to would judge in the world.

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