You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God ordained podcast on the internet.

I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Today we're talking about the wisdom of hope.

And we're talking about that with Emily Towns, the Dean of the Divinity School and Distinguished Professor of Womenist Ethics and Society at Vanderbilt University.

Oh man folks, I'm telling you, this is one of these podcasts that started out one thing and it wound up being something very, very different and very great and very beautiful where we just

sort of woven, actually Emily woven, community, Bible, love, messiness of communities and a lot of wisdom and it was just a great time having her talk about the stuff that was just wonderful.

It's nice when things don't turn out the way you plan.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

And it actually fits in exactly with some of the themes we talk about in that messiness of community when things don't go as plant.

Right.

Well, let's get into it.

Let's do that.

More often than not, we undersell the Bible, mostly out of our fear and our doubts.

Our, I don't know.

Rather than taking it as an opportunity to dive right in there and try, as I say, wrestle with it in community to see what we come up with.

Well, hello, Emily. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for joining us.

Well, thank you for having me.

Yeah, it's great to have you here, Emily.

So let's just begin by defining what womaness ethics is.

That's going to be a new term for a number of our listeners and it would be really great to just define it and maybe where it came from.

Yeah, I work like it's origins and things like that.

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