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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 144, Steven Pinker x Richard Dawkins: Live in London (Part I - The Future of Humanity)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Euthanasia, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Existentialism, Marxism, Kant, Ethics, Davidpapineau, Dennett, Marx, Evilgodchallenge, Cosmological, Mind, Consciousness, Courses, Nagasawa, Education, Johnstuartmill, Jeremybentham, Aristotle, Ocr, Camus, Josephfletcher, Conscience, Society & Culture, Kantianethics, Philosophy

4.8604 Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to Episode 144 (Part I of II), where Richard Dawkins interviews Steven Pinker on the past and future of humanity.

This is a live recording from our recent show – The Future of Humanity – held on 3 June 2025 at London’s Royal Institution Theatre.

The event was a conversation between psychologist Steven Pinker and biologist Richard Dawkins – both previous guests on The Panpsycast – exploring the evolution of human beings and the challenges we face in the future. Richard leads the discussion, questioning Steve about his extensive catalogue of books and his contributions to psychology, sociology, and evolutionary theory. They focus a lot on the past but, eventually, get on to the future. It’s a brilliant exchange, covering a wide range of topics and packed with some of Pinker’s most important insights.

The first part of this podcast special is their free-flowing conversation; the second is a Q&A with the audience, hosted by Jack. Thank you to everyone who came along and made the show possible. Without further ado, here’s the audio from our live show – we hope you enjoy the conversation.

Links

Steven Pinker, Website

Richard Dawkins, Website

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, it's Olli here. Episode 144 is a live recording from our recent show, The Future of Humanity, held on the 3rd of June 2025 at London's Royal Institution Theatre. The event was a conversation between psychologist Stephen

0:23.1

Pinker and biologist Richard Dawkins, both previous guests on the Pancidcast, exploring

0:28.7

the evolution of human beings and the challenges we face in the future. Richard leads the discussion,

0:34.9

questioning Steve about his extensive catalogue of books and his contribution to psychology, sociology and evolutionary theory.

0:42.1

They focus a lot on the past, but eventually get on to the future.

0:45.9

It's a brilliant exchange covering a wide range of topics and packed with some of Pinker's most important insights.

0:51.6

The first part of this podcast special is their free-flowing conversation.

0:55.5

The second is a Q&A with the audience, hosted by Jack. Thank you to everyone who came along and made

1:00.7

the show possible. Without further ado, here's the audio from our live show. We hope you enjoy

1:05.7

the conversation. Thank you.

1:20.0

Thank you so much for being here for another sold-out event here at the Royal Institution Theatre.

1:25.9

Every single show we announce just gets filled up so quickly.

1:29.9

So thank you for being here again.

1:31.9

Everyone working behind the scenes

1:33.4

tonight is a volunteer and

1:35.1

the shows only made possible

1:36.6

by the LGFG Fashion House

1:39.3

who are sponsoring tonight's event. So please join me

1:41.2

and thanking all the volunteers as well

1:43.2

to LGFG for making tonight's show possible So please join me in thanking all the volunteers as well as LGFG for making

1:44.3

tonight's show possible.

1:53.6

I have the absolute pleasure of joining you in the audience tonight because I'm filling in

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