Welcome to Other World. I'm your host, Jack Wagner.

In the last episode, David explained how one evening, when he was 15, and watching a movie

with his brother and his brother's new girlfriend, their lives took an abrupt turn.

A presence seemed to have entered their house and began communicating with David.

And it all seemed to start around the time that his brother's new girlfriend, Casey, entered the picture.

David was suddenly experiencing something communicating with him.

At first, he thought it was his grandpa.

But then, it evolved into something dark.

And this thing was telling David strange things, like that he needed to make a big sacrifice,

and that the sacrifice was killing his older brother.

Whether this thing was something already attached to Casey, something that was brought in from her doing

some sort of rituals in a reckless way, or maybe it was already in the house and kind of awoken,

or maybe it was multiple things at once. Nobody seemed to be sure. Either way, it was getting

increasingly intense and really ramped up

when Casey left for a trip, broke up with Stephen, and never came back to town. And I want to be

clear that this stuff was happening very frequently over a long period of time. They told me they could tell when this thing walked into the room and where it was.

It was like a shift in the atmosphere, and then everything would take a turn.

When I spoke to these boys, even 15 years later, I could tell how difficult it was to be bringing this stuff up.

At times it felt more like a therapy session than an interview.

Whatever this thing was, wherever it came from, it made their lives very difficult for many years.

We're going to pick up right where we left off.

This is part two of the Granny Flat,

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