Episode 142: Lily Zheng
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 23 January 2023
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Tuck speaks with DEI strategist Lily Zheng (they/them). Topics include:
- Why pizza can be more useful than a 60-minute workshop
- Can we DEI our way out of transphobic workplaces?
- What makes allyship performative? (It's not what you think!)
- Should corporations be hosting Trans Day of Remembrance events?
- Plus: does DEI work delay the proletarian revolution??
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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: Blue Dot Sessions
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | You know, it's bad enough to have a bunch of your personal information floating around online, |
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| 0:46.2 | Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding |
| 0:50.8 | what the hell gender is. I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuckwood Stock. |
| 1:06.1 | Hey everyone, have you're alling it in there? This week on the show, we are sharing my |
| 1:09.7 | conversation with diversity, equity, and inclusion consultant Lily Zhang. Lily and I talk about |
| 1:15.5 | navigating trans-robic workplaces, what makes allyship considered performative, whether DEI |
| 1:21.2 | work delays the proletariat revolution, and why so many DEI tactics can do more harm than good. |
| 1:29.2 | Why people pizza that'll probably do more for your workforce in a 60-minute workshop. |
| 1:34.4 | But before we get to that, two things. The first is that last week I had the distinct |
| 1:38.4 | honor and pleasure of appearing on the NPR show. It's been a minute. I had such a fun time chatting |
| 1:43.4 | with my friend Brittany Loose, who hosts the show about the fifth anniversary of Gender Reveal. |
| 1:48.0 | You can find that in all of the podcast places. And if you found this podcast from it's been a minute, |
| 1:53.6 | welcome. If you'd like to start somewhere, that's a little bit less deep in the trans beads on |
| 1:58.5 | a single topic. I'd suggest backing up just a hair to our recent episodes with Margaret Kiljoy, |
| 2:03.2 | Linda Sagarra, Serena Imblur. I feel like those are all really representative of the show's |
| 2:07.7 | like Cold Deal, but you know, do you? Also, I'm just letting you know we are a little over one |
| 2:13.3 | week away from our live show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn. I am told that people love to wait |
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