Episode 140, ‘Interpersonal Art’ with Harry Drummond (Part II - Further Analysis and Discussion)

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Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

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🗓️ 9 March 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Reflecting on the experiences we value most, many that come to mind are those we share with others. Consider the strangers we sit alongside at the football, the romantic partners who share (or endure) our favourite television shows, the friends with whom we dance through the early morning hours. Despite the growing ease of on-demand, private aesthetic experiences, we find ourselves carving out time for public ones. But why?

In this episode, we’ll be discussing the nature of interpersonal aesthetic experience with Dr Harry Drummond, Teacher in the Department of Continuing Education at the University of Liverpool. Co-editor of the British Society of Aesthetics’ journal Debates in Aesthetics, and editorial assistant for the British Journal of Aesthetics, Dr Drummond’s work sits at the intersection of aesthetics, psychology, and the philosophy of mind.

For Drummond, the presence of others amplifies, redirects, and even unlocks experiences that wouldn’t be available to us alone. We read each other’s cues, share reactions, and create meaning together in ways that are subtle but profound. The silence of a cinema, the synchronised movement of a dance floor, the shared laughter at a comedy show – these are not just personal experiences but collective ones, shaped and enriched by the presence of others.

Links

Dr Harry Drummond, PhilPapers

H Drummond (2024), Aesthetic Experiences with Others: An Enactive Account (paper)

H Drummond (forthcoming) Enactive Aesthetics: Insights Through AI – link will be added upon publication

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0:00.0	Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan
0:07.0	Scicast
0:08.0	Part 2 Further analysis Part two, further analysis and discussion.
0:27.6	In the previous installment of the podcast, we spoke about the nature of collective experiences
0:32.8	and how different interpersonal dynamics can intensify and unlock different types of aesthetic
0:39.3	experiences.
0:40.3	Towards the end of that conversation, Dr. Harry Drummond, who's with us right now, told
0:44.4	us that some shared experiences involve a sort of to and from, like an analysis and reaction
0:50.5	between participants.
0:51.7	Think about doing the tango or playing in a band. You're not passive, the
0:56.1	artworks, a process between these different people. There was even the suggestion that these
1:01.0	experiences feel like they're happening to the group rather than the individuals. Harry, in one
1:06.4	of your other pieces, I believe which is forthcoming in some book or collection,
1:11.7	which perhaps you can tell us about, which isn't out yet, right? So thank you for sharing
1:15.0	it with us and given listeners this sneak peek into the future of philosophy. You speak
1:20.0	about philosophy of the future and AI and whether AI might be able to participate in
1:26.1	these kinds of shared experiences. So if you granted the
1:30.1	very generous premise that AI could possess individual consciousness, do you think that being would
1:37.2	be capable of enjoying the sorts of deep shared experiences that you, me and OLLI can share and enjoy
1:43.8	together? Yeah, so that's a really good question. Thank you. And deep shared experiences that you, me and Olli can share and enjoy together.
1:44.6	Yeah, so that's a really good question.
1:47.4	Thank you.
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