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Episode 138: Revelatory Reading–Learning and Teaching for Enduring Conversion (Phil Allred)

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BYU Religious Education

Religion & Spirituality, Education, Christianity

4.91.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

How can gospel teachers help students not only learn but experience revelation in the classroom? In this episode, we talk with professor of Church history and doctrine Phil Allred about his contribution to the article "Teaching That Leads to Enduring Conversion." Dr. Allred introduces the concept of revelatory reading—an approach to scripture study that moves beyond simply reading words on a page and invites students to reflect on their thoughts and impressions, recognize the influence of the Holy Ghost, and act on personal revelation. He explains how transforming a common activity like note-taking into a spiritually reflective practice can deepen students' ability to receive guidance from the Spirit. Dr. Allred also shares practical strategies for creating a revelatory classroom, where students learn to track impressions, discern truth, and develop lifelong habits of seeking revelation. Join us as we explore how fostering revelatory habits can help students become lifelong disciples of Jesus Christ.

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0:00.0

Hello, why religion friends? John Hilton here.

0:03.0

In about the year, 605 BC, the prophet Jeremiah stood in Jerusalem carrying a clay jar.

0:10.0

After the people had gathered to hear him speak, Jeremiah smashed the jug onto the ground.

0:15.0

Can you picture the scene? The jar explodes against the stones, clay shards scatter across the square.

0:21.1

Jeremiah says, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, even so I will break this people as one breaketh

0:26.7

a potter's vessel.

0:29.2

Well, as you can imagine, Jeremiah's prophecy didn't go over very well.

0:33.1

A temple officer hit Jeremiah and put him in the stocks to shame him. Think of the suffering Jeremiah is

0:39.3

experiencing. He's doing exactly what God told him to do and his life is getting harder. So Jeremiah

0:45.1

said that he had had enough. He said, I will not make mention of God nor speak any more in his

0:51.7

name. In other words, he said, I quit being a prophet. This is just too hard.

0:57.6

But Jeremiah couldn't stop prophesying. He then said, but God's word was in my heart as a burning fire

1:05.6

shut up in my bones and I could not stay. Ponder that phrase, God's word was in my heart as a fire in my bones.

1:17.8

We all want to have God's word that deep in our hearts and to help those that we love do the same.

1:24.1

As gospel teachers, how can we help others get God's word deep in their hearts?

1:30.4

It is not impersonal.

1:32.5

It is this, I mean, my, it is deliberately vulnerable where you are pondering uncomfortabilities.

1:38.6

You're engaging real questions.

1:40.5

You're considering new faithful acts that might be scary.

1:43.8

You're seeking higher, holier ways when you know that means I'm going to have to do some repenting.

1:47.0

And it's that. It's very personal.

1:49.0

And so I'm teaching all this.

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