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Gender Reveal

Episode 137: Dean Spade

Gender Reveal

Tuck Woodstock

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.71.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Tuck speaks with organizer and educator Dean Spade (he/him). Topics include: 

  • Why civil rights laws won't save us
  • Common mutual aid struggles: money, security culture, etc.
  • Why does burnout convince us that we can't take a break?
  • Reflections 20 years after founding the Sylvia Rivera Law Project
  • Plus: dinosaur gender, x markers, and talking people out of law school

This Week in Gender: The Texas government tried to make a database of residents who changed their gender markers. 

Find Dean's work at BigDoorBrigade.com, PinkwashingExposed.net and linktr.ee/deanspade. Visit DeanSpade.net for more info on Mutual Aid, videos from past workshops, and many other resources.

Find Tuck on the Rainbow Parenting podcast!

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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: "The Dustbin" and "Lumber Down" by Blue Dot Sessions
Sponsors: Urbody (promo code: TUCK15)

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:24.5

with confidence, and that starts with what's underneath.

0:42.9

Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding

0:47.6

what the hell gender is. I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuckwoodstock.

0:54.5

Hey, everyone. Hope you're all hanging in there. Thanks for sticking with us as I took a week

1:06.9

off last week. I know I can't believe it either. Anyway, this week on the show, I am thrilled

1:12.0

to share my conversation with Dean Spade. You might know Dean as a founder of The Sylvia Rivera

1:16.8

Law Project or the author of Books Like Normal Life and Mutual Aid. In this episode, Dean talks

1:23.3

with us about mutual aid, plus burnout, law school, gender markers on IDs, why civil rights laws

1:31.0

won't save us. Racism has been illegal in the United States for half a century, and during that time,

1:36.9

the actual lived conditions of white supremacy have worsened. And whether we should be paying

1:41.7

people to do movement work. Do we want to create more workplaces and hope that we have like justice

1:46.8

for people in workplaces or do we want to end wage labor and give everything to each other from free?

1:51.4

But first, just want to let you know that although gender revealed did not have a new episode last

1:55.4

week, I was, I guess, on the Rainbow Parenting podcast hosted by Gender Reveal listener Linz Amher.

2:02.6

My episode is called The New York Times is wrong about trans kids, and I meant to drop some clips

2:08.1

from it when it came out last week, but I dropped the ball on that instead. So my bad, but I do

2:13.9

encourage you to check it out, especially if you also like to complain about The New York Times.

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