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Mama Bear Apologetics

Episode 135. How Enneagram and Richard Rohr Deconstruct Jesus with Alexa Cramer

Mama Bear Apologetics

Hillary Morgan Ferrer & Amy Davison

Christianity, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

This episode of Mama Bear Apologetics explores the spiritual dangers behind the Enneagram and the teachings of Richard Rohr, particularly how they subtly oppose biblical Christianity. Amy is joined by fellow Mama Bear Alexa Cramer, who explains how Rohr redefines key Christian concepts like Jesus, sin, salvation, and the Bible itself. While Rohr’s language may sound Christian, his theology is rooted in mysticism, perennialism, and a pantheistic view of God—where all people and things are seen as inherently divine. The episode outlines how such teachings undermine the gospel and can mislead Christians, especially children, who may encounter the Enneagram in schools, churches, or online.

Using Mama Bear’s “ROAR” method (Recognize, Offer objective discernment, Argue for a healthier approach, Reinforce), the conversation equips parents to help their children identify subtle theological errors, practice discernment, and defend a biblical worldview. The episode encourages parents to disciple their children by training them to think critically about spiritual claims, recognize redefined vocabulary, and affirm the unique truth of the gospel in a culture saturated with self-focused spirituality.

Main Points Covered

  • The ROAR method of discernment
  • Role of Richard Rohr in popularizing the Enneagram among Christians
  • Analysis of key quotes by Rohr
  • Rohr’s theological framework
  • Implications for evangelism, accountability, sanctification
  • Cultural appeal of Enneagram and spiritual mysticism—especially for women and younger generations
  • Practical admonition: alertness to Enneagram with children in schools, churches, etc.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

If you're an individual who's maybe gotten into Enneagram or your children find it fascinating,

0:09.6

I mean, I've heard this even used in high schools, middle schools, you know, to help kids

0:14.5

kind of understand their personality traits and that sort of thing.

0:18.0

Like this is something to be on guard for because this isn't just,

0:22.4

you know, oh, this fun little personality quiz. This is in fact an alternative religion

0:27.6

that speaks directly in opposition to Christ.

0:34.1

Welcome to the Mama Bear Apologetics podcast. I'm Hillary. And I'm Amy. We are just two gals who are spiritually armed, highly caffeinated. And just sassy enough to make bad ideas cry. Mama Bear is a ministry dedicated to helping you raise children who think critically, love biblically, and stand firm in the faith using scripture, reason, and reality. Because remember, Mama Bears, this might not

0:55.0

affect your faith. But it might affect your children.

1:02.2

Hey, everyone. Welcome to another Mama Bear Apologetics podcast, a podcast dedicated to helping

1:07.7

you raise children who think critically, love biblically, and stand firm in the

1:12.2

faith using truth and reason. Today I am joined by the amazing Alexa Kramer and we're going to be

1:17.3

talking about a movement that sort of was in a lot of 90s, 2000s culture, but we're seeing it seep

1:24.4

in as well with our understanding with regards to hell, salvation, and who we are as human beings. And we're seeing it seep in as well with our understanding with regards to hell, salvation,

1:29.6

and who we are as human beings.

1:31.3

And we're going to be taking a look at a gentleman by the name of Richard Roar.

1:35.7

So if you haven't heard of that name before, you are going to want to stay tuned because this is fascinating.

1:40.5

And Alexa, I'm just curious, how did you stumble across this gentleman?

1:44.4

Well, I've been doing research into the neagram.

1:47.8

So a few years ago, I wrote the Enneagram blog series for Mama Bear.

1:54.6

And Richard Roar is the one who's basically responsible for bringing the aneogram, which is like a new age tool

2:02.8

and popularizing it for Christians. So in my research, I'm making a video series and I thought,

2:10.6

I'm going to make one quick video of Richard Roar since he has so much to do with the eneagram.

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