Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner.

This episode features several experiences from a man named Matt, who is a psychotherapist

living and working in Pasadena, California. And I think you'll find that his job as a psychotherapist living and working in Pasadena, California. And I think you'll find

that his job as a psychotherapist is what makes this episode so unique. There's a lot going on

in Matt Story, missing time, hypnosis, dreams, and UFOs. But the way he analyzes and relates to his own experiences is what makes

this story particularly interesting. I've spoken to a lot of people in the process of making

this show, and I don't think I've talked to anyone with quite the same perspective as Matt.

I think any listeners who are fans of Carl Young, James Hillman, or Jacques Valet are going to be really into this episode.

All three of those are people who wrote about how the mind interacts with unexplained phenomena,

specifically through symbols, myths, and altered states of consciousness.

In this episode, Matt experiences several things in physical, waking reality that most people would find shocking and terrifying. But I think for Matt, that shock is outweighed by his

desire to understand the meaning of these experiences and the limitation of the human mind's ability to comprehend them.

This is episode 129.

The title is Behind the Curtain and you're listening to Otherworld.

Hello? Is this Bobby? Yes, it is.

At its core, the science, you can't argue.

I'm not worried about all the science.

Open the sky.

It's almost frustrating that it's happening.

I'm going to die.

If limbs were just, like, wrong.

Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them ahead.

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