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Episode 132 - Michelle Carter & Conrad Roy: “Love You Forever”

RedHanded

Wondery | RedHanded

True Crime

4.518.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2020

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

When 18 year old Conrad Roy was found dead in his truck it looked like an obvious suicide.

But as detectives started their investigation it soon became clear that this was anything but obvious. Conrad and his 17 year old online girlfriend, Michelle Carter, had exchanged a series of troubling messages in the lead up to his death. Ones in which Michelle seemingly encouraged Conrad to kill himself.

Today RedHanded asks the question - did Michelle Carter cause Roy Conrad’s suicide, or was it a tragic perfect storm based on teenager’s romantic fantasy?


References:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/michelle-carter-i-love-you-now-die.html

https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a27704746/who-is-michelle-carter/

https://thetab.com/uk/2019/10/07/michelle-carter-case-true-story-now-127963

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a12091057/michelle-carter-untold-story/

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a57125/michelle-carter-trial/

https://www.insider.com/supreme-court-denies-michelle-carter-appeal-2020-1

https://apnews.com/f5d6d8cc5039c6b701e67950e37b6271

https://www.boston25news.com/news/all-the-text-messages-between-michelle-carter-and-conrad-roy-they-day-he-died/532942907/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/13/michelle-carter-who-urged-boyfriends-suicide-loses-supreme-court-appeal/

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/michelle-carter-awaiting-early-release-from-mass-jail/2066122/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michelle-carter-convicted-texting-suicide-case-released-good/story?id=68450833

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/23/us/michelle-carter-text-suicide-release/index.html


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Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:18.0

I'm Hannah. I'm Sruti and welcome to this week's Redhanded, which we are...

0:24.0

I would say Geek Hall measures nervous and excited for.

0:27.0

Yeah, we are. Lots of people when we announce that we were going to be covering this case last week.

0:31.0

We're like, oh my god, two Boston cases in a row or two Massachusetts cases in a row. Believe me, I wouldn't put myself through having to say that state name twice for no reason.

0:39.0

We absolutely did not plan to cover this case. We are covering this case because of what happened last week.

0:45.0

That's the only reason we're doing this. There was never planned, but here we are. We're all in it together now.

0:50.0

Michelle Carter, the name you've all been waiting for, is famous.

0:54.0

And if you don't know who she is, you're about to. Here is a quick rundown of her situation.

0:59.0

Michelle is now 23 years old and when she was just 17, she sent a series of texts to her online only boyfriend, who was a year older than her, encouraging him to end his life.

1:10.0

Every rag, Facebook, post and Nazi Grace fronted TV show will tell you that Michelle's boyfriend, Conrad Roy III,

1:17.0

was in the process of killing himself in a black pickup truck when he changed his mind. Conrad got out of the car and then he was ordered via text message by Michelle to get back in his truck and finish what he had started.

1:30.0

It's a good story. It's the manipulative blonde skinny teenage girl who forces the defense as teenage boy to end his life.

1:38.0

Except there's no evidence that it actually went down like that. The texts from Michelle telling Conrad to get back in the car do not exist.

1:48.0

She never sent them. And that's not to say that Michelle had not encouraged Conrad towards suicide in the weeks before they had said all sorts of things to each other.

1:56.0

This is the thing that we're really going to be wrestling with this week is when does irresponsible become criminal.

2:03.0

Exactly. And I would just urge everybody listening to this. It is an incredibly famous case. You all have heard of it. I am sure.

2:10.0

But just leave some of your preconceptions behind because there was so many things that Hannah and I thought about this case that just turned out to be absolutely not true.

2:18.0

Yeah. And come with us on this journey with an open mind, I would say.

2:22.0

I have been really, you know, I'm going to say I've been appalled by the emission of truth in journalism on this case.

2:28.0

Me too.

2:29.0

And obviously they're trying to sell papers or like online subscriptions, whatever. But like just the way they are wording things to lead you to believe a certain thing that just isn't true without actually telling a lie.

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