Episode 130 | MAGA Turns on Trump After Conspiracies Flop!

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.8 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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The failure to deliver on conspiracy theories comes back to bite the Trump administration as MAGA lashes out! Eliot Higgins, CEO of Bellingcat, explains how MAGA is comprised of “disordered counterpublics” and why that’s a problem for democracy. Tune in! Asha Substack: https://asharangappa.substack.com/ Subscribe to our podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/its-complicated Follow Asha on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/asharangappa.bsky.social Follow Renato on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/renatomariotti.bsky.social Follow Asha on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asha.rangappa/ Follow Renato on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/renato.mariotti/ Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Legal AF Substack: https://substack.com/@legalaf Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF by MeidasTouch podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.1	So, Asha, are Republican conspiracy theories finally coming home to Roost?
0:35.3	That is complicated.
0:43.4	I'm Renatea Marietti. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and illegal analyst. Now, I'm Asha Rangappa. I teach national
0:49.9	security law at Yale University. I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm a legal and national
0:55.7	security analyst. I'm Enid Higgins. I'm the founder and creative director of Belling Kat, and I specialize
1:01.5	in open source investigation. And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be
1:06.8	boiled down into a soundb bite or a skeet.
1:16.6	Well, thank you for joining us, Elliot. We really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm so excited to have Elliot. I got to, I've been following him for a while on Blue Sky,
1:24.6	and I got to hear him speak at the Cambridge Disinformation Summit about
1:32.3	disorder discourse and he just, he understands this entire world disinformation and how it impacts
1:41.3	people and really excited to talk to him about this particular, this latest development
1:48.2	in Maga World. Thanks for having me all. So, Elliot, this last development has been really
1:55.3	interesting because for years, folks on the right have been convinced that there is a vast conspiracy of
2:05.1	really democratic politicians who are hiding the truth about Epstein because they
2:11.7	themselves are on a list of clients of Epstein. And right now, now that the Trump administration is trying to dissuade their
2:24.5	own followers of this, it's tearing, it seems like it's tearing the Maga world apart. There's like
2:30.8	a civil war right now on X, where they're fighting one another over the
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