Hey, friends. Welcome to the Raising Boys and Girls podcast. I'm Sissy Gough.

And I'm David Thomas. And I'm Melissa Trevathan. And we're so glad you joined us for this conversation.

Let's dive in.

I'm so excited we had to keep the conversation going about this amazing new book. I've been reading

called The Worryfree Parent by my dear friend, Sissy Gough. And we have moved from understanding to

help and we're moving from help to hope. And I am all kinds of excited to do a deep dive into the

last third of the book and really into one chapter, one of my favorite chapters in particular.

And it's chapter nine. I love the title. The title of that chapter is admit failure, no grace.

And I love that within that chapter, you included a quote from one of our all-time favorite authors,

Anne Lamont. And we love this quote. I want to read it now. If I were going to begin practicing

the presence of God for the first time today, it would help to begin by admitting the three most

terrible truths of our existence that we are so ruined and so loved and in charge of so little.

And there is all kinds of truth in that, isn't there? And that funny, that's how we would start

an episode on hope. But there is so much hope in that. And freedom, so much freedom.

One of my other favorite things that you do in this chapter that I was hopeful we could spend a

few minutes talking about. You have five hopeful things for every perfectionistic parent to know,

and I would argue this is just five hopeful things for every parent to know, whether you've been more

toward perfectionism or don't. But in particular for those of us who do, and we both do,

as anyogram once been toward a lot of perfectionism. And the first great reminder that I think

parents know but is incredibly easy to forget is that one of the definitions of insanity is

repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result. And how often we sit with

parents who are stuck in those patterns. Their kids become reactive, they match their reactivity,

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