In the battle for our souls between the devil and God, there are no innocent civilian bystanders. Hi, I'm Chloe Langer. Welcome to the Catholic Podcast. I'm sitting here with Joe Heshmire, my co-host today.

Absolutely. We are joined by Father Joshua Wirth out of the

Salana Diocese here in Kansas and we're going to be chatting about the

reality of the demonic, the reality of possession, the reality of the

demon, and what that points to in terms of our Catholic faith as well.

Father Joshua, thank you for coming on the show.

My pleasure.

Thanks for having me.

So I understand you have something of a personal connection

in more ways than one with this topic.

Can you share a little bit about that?

Yes, well, I've been assistant to the Exist

for the Exist of Slyndyocese for five or six years now, but my original involvement into kind of research

in this stuff started with my own family. My parents divorced when I was 16. And it was kind of a Jerry Springer situation where my mom met somebody on the internet,

back when it was dial up and you couldn't be on the phone the same time you're on the internet.

But I remember those things, I don't think Chloe does.

But I know if Chloe remembers that.

At that time, she met something on the internet, went out to California from Kansas to be with him,

but also left the Catholic faith at that time as well and got into Wicca, which is modern day witchcraft.

And so I remember researching that kind of figure out

and trying to figure out what the heck is going on.

You know, I thought this was just something of Harry Potter

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