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TROJAN WAR:  THE PODCAST

EPISODE 13 “TERRIBLE, GLORIOUS WAR”

TROJAN WAR: THE PODCAST

Jeff Wright

History

4.8650 Ratings

🗓️ 24 August 2016

⏱️ 74 minutes

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THE STORY:  (56 minutes)   As Greek and Trojan forces openly clash on the plains of Troy the goddess Athena imbues a Greek warlord – Diomedes – with fearsome, godlike powers of combat.  So with the Trojan forces in disarray and on the verge of wholescale panic, Hector decides on an audacious plan to save his army.  But can Hector survive his own plan? THE COMMENTARY:  CAN WAR BE BOTH TERRIBLE and GLORIOUS?  (17 minutes; begins at 56:00) This post-story commentary examines both the “glorious” and the “terrible” faces of the Trojan War.  I first review the arestia of Diomedes, which dominates much of the story in this podcast episode.  I point out that Diomedes’ arestia (or moment of supreme excellence in battle) follows the usual arestia pattern found in Homer's Iliad.  The hero is first imbued with god-like powers; the hero’s armour and weapons are then imbued with god-like radiance (the helmet “burns like a fire”; the bronze spear tip “is like a gleaming star”); the hero racks up an impressive kill count against worthy opponents; the hero receives a setback or injury, but recovers quickly; and the hero goes on to even greater glories before the arestia ends, and the hero becomes “normal” again.  I note that in Homer only heroes are granted an arestia – rank and file foot soldiers are never so lucky.  I then observe that the arestia can be understood as a “compensatory gift” from the gods to a worthy human – the compensation being necessary because the human, no matter how worthy, is ultimately doomed to die.  Finally I observe that sometimes an arestia ends with the death of the hero:  when a hero forgets, at the critical moment, that he is not really a god. I then launch into an exploration of arestia in contemporary movies, noting that I could find plenty of examples of arestia in superhero or fantasy genre films, but very few arestia in movies based on real human warfare.  This leads me to some hypothesizing about whether, in the 20th and 21st century, we are culturally uncomfortable celebrating “glorious war” – possibly the machine guns and poison gas of World War One dampened our enthusiasm a little?  I then turn to Homer’s treatment of war in the Iliad, and observe that it is remarkably neutral and even-handed.  Homer spares us none of the graphic, gory realities of the battlefield (save for a total absence in Homer of any long term, lingering, or psychological injuries), and Homer is brutally clear-eyed on the civilian price of war (rape, slavery, butchery and death).  But Homer equally paints a picture of fighting men exulting in the sheer, giddy pleasure of knowing “how to step in deadly dance of hand to hand combat”.  I turn the final words of my post-story commentary over to Bernard Knox, a Homer translator; because I think he says it best:   "Three thousand years have not changed the human condition in this respect. We are still lovers and victims of the will to violence, and so long as we are, Homer will be read as its truest interpreter." Homer, tr. Robert Fagles, intro. Bernard Knox, The Iliad (Penguin Classics, 1991) Jeff RELATED CONTENT ANTHEM FOR DOOMED YOUTH, 1917 poem by Wilfred Owen PDF RELATED IMAGES

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0:00.0

You are listening to Trojan War, the podcast, history's most awesome epic.

0:20.9

This is episode number 13 in the series.

0:35.7

Today's episode is titled Terrible Glorious War. So welcome to episode number 13 of Trojan War the podcast.

1:07.7

This episode is titled Terrible Glorious War.

1:13.6

Now you'll recall that the way things ended at the end of the preceding episode, the episode about the duel between Paris and Manilaeus,

1:23.6

well the two armies had assembled for the first time in the entire 10 years of this war,

1:28.2

outside on the plains of Troy, outside of the walls of the city.

1:31.7

But they weren't actually intending on fighting in that particular day.

1:34.8

The diplomats had managed to put together a peace process, an exit strategy, which was going to work

1:40.5

for both sides in this war.

1:41.6

And as a consequence, only one man was going to die in that day's battle. It was either going to be Paris representing the Trojans who died or Menelaus representing the Greeks who died. And once that trial by single champion was over and one of the two men lay dead on the ground, well, then whatever reparation payments had been agreed to in advance would be made. And one way or the other, by the end of the day, everybody expected that the Greeks would be packing

2:04.0

up their long ships and sailing back across the EGNC back to the Greek Peninsula war over.

2:10.8

But things had not turned out that way at all.

2:13.5

The Olympian gods had managed to get involved, and the Olympian gods had managed to, well,

2:19.7

through a whole series of machinations and maneuvers, had managed to essentially allow the Trojans

2:24.7

to cheat in the contest by, well, Aphrodite spirited her pretty boyfriend, Paris, off the battlefield,

2:30.0

before Menelaus could kill him. And then Athena, doing her little bit to perpetuate the war,

2:34.4

had encouraged a Trojan to violate the truce

2:37.2

between the two sides and launch an arrow.

2:39.5

And suddenly, well, this war, which was looking like it might never

2:43.7

happened, was happening in full vigour and fury outside

2:47.1

the walls of Troy on the plains.

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