Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and I'm joined

by some fabulous co-hosts. Hey, Rob, it's Diana. And it's me, Jackie.

Hi, everybody. And we are also joined by a fourth very special, special guest, special co-host to talk

with us about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research, which is the thing we do.

And we remember to record these great talks that we do. And that is special guest, Dr. Byron

Wynne. Byron, how are you doing? I'm doing great, everybody. Thanks for having me.

It's a real pleasure to have you on the show. We are going to be talking today, like we always do.

We pick a topic and we say, what do we know about this topic? What's the research about this topic? Let's talk about that research. And then sometimes we're very fortunate that we say, who wrote half this research? We should just get them to come talk about the research and then we don't have to do it. And that is exactly what we got to do tonight. So, Byron, please, you are currently doing a lot of work and a lot of your research on

organizational behavior management, specifically around the topic of staff turnover. Before you got

into that, please tell us kind of a little bit more about your background. Currently, I am the

chief operating officer of the phasiness center in Richmond, Virginia, and a visiting assistant

professor at the University of Virginia. And a long time ago,

I was just at the Florida Institute of Technology and I met Dave Wilder there, who is the current

editor of J.OBM and he actually introduced me to OBM. So I like to say right from the beginning

or before it was cool, I was into OBM or back when nobody knew what OBM stood for,

and we had to like explain it to everybody. Fortunately, it's come a long way. I think it's,

it's kind of in the mainstream now, at least in terms of behavior analysis.

Right. Yeah. Important caveat there, right? So I did a master's degree at FIT,

and then I actually went and did clinical work

for a number of years, which unfortunately I had the opportunity to do. I think it made me a much

better behavior analyst that if I'd just gone right into OBM consulting or something like that.

But while I was doing that, I went to Temple University, and I studied with Don Hantula and

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