Hi friends, welcome to another episode of that sounds fun. I'm your host Annie F. Down.

So happy to be here with you today. Our music in the background is from our good friend,

Mr. John McLaughlin. His new album is called Axton Grace. Make sure you grab a copy here at the

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where you can add Westrock to your grocery list. Today on the show is one of all of our very favorite

women, particularly in this faith space, but probably on the planet. Lisa Tercurs. Lisa has been a

friend of mine for a lot of years. And in fact, when I was starting this and you'll hear us talk

about it when I was starting doing this job, she is genuinely one of the very first people

whoever believed in me and gave me a chance and I will remember it forever. Her newest book,

it's not supposed to be this way. Just released a few months ago and it's incredibly good. And I

loved getting to sit down in my office and chat with her. So here is my conversation with author

founder of Proverbs 31 and just all around one of my favorites, Lisa Tercurs.

I mean, how much do you have to spell your last name all the time? Yeah, you'd have to because

people have to, I mean, they know who you are now, but I would imagine that people miss the

sweet sea and the you. Yeah, it's not just my last name. It's my first name. It's everything about me.

It's all of me has to be spelled out loud for people. All of us. Okay, so tell me why you're in

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