I'm Aiton Weinstein.

And I'm Naor Menninger.

And you're listening to Two Nice Jewish Boys.

This podcast is made in collaboration with the Jewish Journal.

Breakdown to the Palestinian refugee problem in 20 seconds.

The year is 1947 and the UN announces

its partition plan for Palestine, also known as Resolution 181. Promptly, the Arabs residing in the region

opened fire on Jews. Eventually, a war breaks out and exodus, and the exodus of 700,000

Palestinians ensues. Maybe it was a little less than 20 seconds.

This has turned into one of the most controversial debates in modern history.

What caused the Palestinian exodus of the years,

1947 to 1949?

There's the mainstream Zionist narrative, more or less that Arab leaders urge the Arab population to leave.

There's the mainstream Arab narrative, basically Zionist and ethnic cleansing.

And then there's Professor Benny Morris.

Now buckle in because this is slightly more nuanced than the stuff you might be used to hearing.

Professor Benny Morris is the Professor Emeritus of history in the Middle East Studies Department of

Ben-Gulion University. He's the author of several books, as you can see, including the birth

of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947 and 1949, and also the book 1948. And he's a pretty

cool dude. So we are thrilled to be joined by him in his home this evening to talk about some history.

So let's get started maybe with a term that others have used to coin you, which is a new historian.

How do you...

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