Episode 120: Cloud Resilience and Security – Why Exit, Portability and Lifecycle Design Matter with Nicky Stewart

Global Economy Podcast

ECIPE

Business

4.2 • 5 Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2026

⏱️ 30 minutes

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On this episode of ECIPE’s Global Economy Podcast, our Director, Matthias Bauer, welcomes Nicky Stewart, Senior Advisor at the Open Cloud Coalition, for a conversation on cloud markets in Europe, and how policy debates focus too heavily on market concentration and hyperscalers rather than on contractual lock-in, licensing practices, and lifecycle design. Drawing on ECIPE’s study Cloud Resilience and Security: Why Exit, Portability and Lifecycle Design Matter, the episode explores switching barriers, multi-cloud strategies, public procurement, competition enforcement under the DMA, and the importance of resilience and cybersecurity for Europe’s digital economy. You can watch a video recording of this conversation here. You can read a transcript of the chat here. Nicky Stewart is currently Senior Advisor at the Open Cloud Coalition. In the past, she led the Cabinet Office government/industry Commercial workstream for G-Cloud. Nicky left the government in 2011 and was the former Commercial Director of UKCloud. She has been a member of the European Commission’s Expert Group on Cloud Computing Contracts and has taken an active role in the European Commission’s Cloud Special Interest Group. She was the vice chair of techUK’s Central Government Council and is on the Open Cloud for Research Environments Expert Advisory Board. Nicky is regularly quoted in the trade and national press on cloud issues.

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0:00.0	Hello and a very warm welcome to today's episode of E-Syp's Global Economy Podcast.
0:19.0	My name is Matthias Bauer. I am a director here at E-Syp and today
0:23.1	we want to talk about cloud-based digital services in Europe and why the policy debate may
0:30.2	be focusing on the wrong problems. Too often the debate about cloud markets centers on concentration and the size of the largest providers.
0:43.3	Typically large hyperskaters headquartered in the United States operating globally, including in Europe.
0:51.3	And this has fueled increasingly radical or wild policy ideas from
0:58.4	data localization mandates to country of headquarter requirements and calls for an exclusive
1:04.7	European technology stack built on made in Europe prescriptions.
1:11.5	In practice, most of these proposals risk doing the opposite of what is intended by reducing
1:19.5	cloud customer choice or user choice, limiting flexibility, making it harder for organizations
1:26.6	to adapt the solutions that best meet their needs.
1:30.3	But our latest e-scip study suggests that the real barriers to user choice and ultimately to
1:39.3	improved resilience and improved cybersecurity are much more behavioral.
1:46.0	They come from things like contractual lock-in, licensing rules, and early technical decisions
1:53.0	that quietly tie organizations to one setup over time.
1:58.0	In our new study, which is titled Cloud Resilience and Security, Y-Exit,
2:04.5	portability and lifecycle design matter, we argue that resilience is shaped across the full
2:12.5	cloud adoption lifecycle. From the moment, systems are first defined and designed to the point where
2:19.9	organizations may want to or actually have to switch, adopt or recover from disruptions.
2:28.7	And our analysis also demonstrates that contractual and licensing practices constitute the most powerful and at the same time the most
2:39.5	proportionate policy tool available to policy makers and competition authorities in Europe and beyond.
2:48.5	I'm very pleased to be joined today by Nikki Stewart.
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