Greetings, dear listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg, the host of the Remnant Podcast. We have an exciting episode.

We have Tim Alberta, the author of, and I'm holding it up like there's a camera in the room.

American Carnage on the front lines of the Republican Civil War and the rise of President Tim. Welcome aboard.

Jonah, it's great to see you, man. I think the last time we had a drink together was in a random hotel bar in North Carolina.

Chapel Hill. Yeah, I was there for a speech at the bar drinking alone as I want to do. Yes.

And then you came down to drink alone as you are going to be your mother in the soulmates and our eyes met.

But for people who don't know, Tim is now known as the Chief Political Correspondent for Political Magazine.

That's right. But you were our guy in the field in 2016 at National Review.

Yeah. Where thanks to National Review, you cultivated all of these wonderful sources.

Basically. And that was funny. I was reading in there and I completely forgot. We'll get to the meat of all this stuff.

I completely forgot until I was reading in it that we did not tip you off about the against Trump.

No, I had no, and in fact, I think Rich knows this, but probably nobody else because I just didn't go around advertising it or bitching about it, frankly.

But I was, I had been working for weeks to get a sit down with Trump. And I had been emailing with Hope Hicks.

And it looked like I was going to get on the plane with him the following week.

And so I was excited about that because they're busy and he was obviously quite ascended at that point.

And so it had become much harder to get serious, sustained time with him.

And so I thought I'd finally locked it down. And I can still remember I was in my son's room changing a diaper.

There's a metaphor in here somewhere, obviously. And my phone just starts blowing up.

And I had no idea that the against Trump cover was coming. And I text Eliana Johnson, our friend who was, of course, the Washington editor.

I said, what the hell is this? Somebody going to tell me about this. And she's like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

I thought you knew. So of course, I get an email from Hope that night. And she says, yeah, we're going to, we're going to go ahead and cancel that interview next week.

But just fair. You know, yeah, yeah, I don't blame her.

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