Episode 12: Justice for #!$@ ?
Very Bad Wizards
Tamler Sommers & David Pizarro
4.8 • 3K Ratings
🗓️ 14 January 2013
⏱️ 73 minutes
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Summary
Dave and Tamler square off the role of the victim in criminal punishment and find little to agree about. Tamler defends the restorative justice approach, while Dave expresses skepticism about its value and worries it might even be damaging. Arguments ensue, but be sure to stick around for the third segment as it features an unusually focused and productive discussion--for them anyway.
Also discussed: the best character on "The Wire," the startling specificity of KG's trash-talking, and a listener calls us out on not justifying the meaningfulness of life.
Links
- Family Guy- Breaking Bad (and The Wire) [youtube.com]
- The Wire- Omar in court [youtube.com]
- Restorative Justice [wikipedia.org]
- Christie, N. (1977). Conflicts as Property. British Journal of Criminology
- Greg Ousley is sorry for killing his parents. Is that enough? [NY Times magazine]
- "The Caging of America" by Adam Gopnik. [New Yorker]
- "Can Forgiveness Play a Role in Criminal Justice?" [NY Times magazine]
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Very bad wizards is a podcast with a philosopher, my dad, and a psychologist, Dave Pizarro, |
| 0:05.9 | having an informal discussion about issues in science and ethics. |
| 0:09.4 | Please note that the discussion contains bad words that I'm out of love to say, |
| 0:13.6 | and knowing my dad some very inappropriate jokes. |
| 0:30.0 | Wait a minute, I'm not a pastor, I'm a pastor, I'm a pastor, I'm a pastor, I'm a pastor. |
| 0:40.0 | I'm very bad man, I'm a very good man, good man, and with no more brains than you have. |
| 0:50.0 | Wait a minute, I'm a bad man, you're a very bad man. |
| 0:58.0 | You're a very bad man. |
| 1:06.0 | That was a very good man. |
| 1:08.0 | Just a very bad wizard. |
| 1:11.0 | Welcome to very bad wizards, I'm Tamler Summers from the University of Houston. |
| 1:15.0 | And I'm David Pizarro from Cornell University. |
| 1:18.0 | So you robbed drug dealers, this is what you do. |
| 1:22.0 | Yes sir, you walk the streets of Baltimore with a gun, taking what you want, when you want it. |
| 1:28.0 | Willing to use violence when your demands aren't met, this is who you are. |
| 1:34.0 | Why should we believe you're testimony then? |
| 1:38.0 | I believe anything you say. |
| 1:40.0 | That's up to you all really. |
| 1:42.0 | Do you say you are here testifying against the defendant because of any deal you made with police? |
| 1:48.0 | You said that you're here because you want to tell the truth about what happened to Mr. Gantt and that housing project popular. |
| 1:56.0 | When in fact you are exactly the kind of person who would, if you felt you needed to, shoot a man down on a housing project popular and then lie to the police about it. |
| 2:05.0 | Would you not? |
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