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History on Fire

EPISODE 115: Us vs. Them

History on Fire

Daniele Bolelli

Society & Culture

4.85.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

“I love people as I meet them one by one. People are just wonderful as individuals. You see the whole universe in their eyes if you look carefully. But as soon as they begin to group, as soon as they begin to clot, when there are five of them or ten or even groups of smallest two, they begin to change, they sacrifice the beauty of the individual for the sake of the group… Cause pretty soon they have little hats, ya know? And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they’re going to visit at 3 am.” George Carlin “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster." Friedrich Nietzsche Why so much of history reads like an account of human beings doing horrible things to other human beings? How can some individuals who seem loving and perfectly decent in one context turn into monsters in a different context? How can a sense of identity be weaponized to justify the most atrocious actions one can imagine? How can ideologies turn into tools for scapegoating? This episode will try to answer these questions, and go to the roots of the reasons behind all the horrific things that human beings have done and continue to do to one another. If you feel generous and enjoy History on Fire, please consider joining my ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠ to access plenty of bonus content.  All the links to History on Fire social media can be found at our ⁠⁠⁠LinkTree⁠⁠⁠, including: ⁠⁠⁠⁠HOF YouTube⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠. JAPAN TOUR! Let’s head out to Japan in Oct 2026. All the details at ⁠⁠⁠Geek Nation Tours⁠⁠⁠. Throughout history, people have used mushrooms (such as Lion’s Mane, Turkey Tail, Cordyceps, Reishi and Chaga) for their medicinal properties. My friends started ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Purest Mushrooms⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ where they offer some of the best quality mushrooms you can find on the market at affordable prices. Use code historyonfire at checkout for a discount. Bison is some of the healthiest meat you could possibly eat. Get yours at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dakota Pure Bison⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. History on Fire listeners get a discount by using the code HOF10 at checkout. This episode is supported by ⁠⁠⁠Arizona State University⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about how ASU supports all learners through all stages of life. My friend James Pieratt is one of the world’s top functional training experts, and a record-breaking hybrid athlete. Use the code WH25 for a 25% discount on all of his training programs at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Wild Hunt Conditioning⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to episode 115 of History on Fire. If you enjoy the podcast, the best way to

0:07.2

make sure it remains viable is to support it either on Patreon or Substack. $5 a month and I get to

0:14.5

keep making podcast because while the ads help a little, really the number one way for the podcast

0:20.2

to survive is

0:21.3

listener support. So in addition to the fact that you're doing a nice thing, you would

0:26.2

get some perks such as no ads on the episodes, bonus episodes that are not released

0:31.9

anywhere else, occasional chats and Q&A on Zoom, so quite a few perks that go with it.

0:39.8

I want to thank some of the people who support at the highest possible level on Patreon.

0:44.3

That would be Mr. Mark Chang, Chimmy Moxham, Julian Bailey, Lyubov Zereva,

0:49.4

Amitayshel, Raffaldini Vineyards, Brent Beckley and Hunterstone.

0:53.7

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:55.4

I should also mention that in October, 2006,

0:59.2

the plan is to go to Japan as part of a tour with Geek Nation tours

1:04.1

exploring the history of the Battle of Sekigahara

1:08.1

and many of the events that if you watch the TV series Shogun,

1:12.2

you know what I'm talking about, is the latter stage of the Civil Wars in Japan at the end

1:17.8

of the 1500s, early 1600s. I've been once on a tour organized by Geek Nation tours and

1:24.4

he was phenomenal. Those guys really know how to put together.

1:29.3

Like, I really have a hard time even explaining how good it was because normally I'm not

1:35.3

a fan of tours, but these guys are absolute pros at it.

1:39.3

So if you are interested, check out Geek Nation tours, put Japan, and I'm sure it's going to come up.

1:45.8

I'm on the offerings there.

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