In today's episode, hosts Asha Rangappa and Renato Mariotti break down the implications surrounding the Signalgate scandal, where top U.S. officials likely shared classified information with unauthorized individuals—including the editor of The Atlantic—over an unsecure messaging app.  Subscribe to our Patreon here, where paid members will get access to exclusive portions of this show. patreon.com/reallyamericanmedia Asha Rangappa, a Yale National Security Law professor and former FBI special agent, points out the dangers of using Signal to discuss war plans, and explains how its security pales in comparison to what’s necessary for handling national defense secrets. Renato Mariotti, a savvy legal expert and former federal prosecutor, unpacks the legal fallout of these breaches and connects the dots to other similar cases, pointing out ironic twists in how the law typically plays out. He also fills us in with a review of the Espionage Act and walks us through how intent and gross negligence matter in the handling of sensitive information.  The hosts discuss the potential for special counsel investigations and lay out the massive problems this breach poses for U.S. defense operations. And we’ll talk about how the lack of accountability and transparency for major lapses like these can endanger countless lives. In our rapidly evolving political environment, Asha and Renato urge our listeners to stay informed and remain vigilant as we continue our mission of unraveling the complex issues that can’t be boiled down into simple sound bites.  So be sure to tune in next time for invaluable insights from Asha and Renato, right here on It's Complicated Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices