Welcome to Citizen. We have a very special guest today. Jack, I'm guessing it's

Spirco Spirco Spirco. There's a bunch of Spirco. I got Chuck in a spear. Okay. Have you done that before? I mean, you're kind of an outdoorsman.

A little bit later on with Adalotto. Oh, yeah, I saw somebody. My buddy Brendan Liam actually sent me a video of a guy stalking up to an elk.

And from about maybe 20, 30 meters away over the crest of a hill, got a

just right through the back of the spine, got one of these bad boys. And that's not an easy animal to kill in the first place, much less with a fucker spear.

No, there's like some modern Adalattles, too, where it's like a long arrow, like using carbon fiber, but it's old school Adalattle that throws it. Those are pretty impressive. I mean,

we're not here to talk about, but they are impressive. So let's get to what we are here to talk about. Tell me about, so you've got a couple things going on. A couple of shows, one called permit ethos that I want to get into first or later, but tell me first about your main show.

So just real quick, permit ethos is a thing. It's not really a show. Okay. It was, it's a concept that we're revisiting now. The show itself is called the survival podcast.

We've been around, we just celebrated our 15th year anniversary, been around since 2008, two time podcasts of the year award winner.

We cover self-reliant self-sufficiency independence and liberty. We've done just over 3300 episodes at this point.

And so if there's anything anybody's interested in in that world, we probably have covered it innumerable times.

Sure. Yeah. I think people hear the word survivalist and they think of some lunatic living in the woods, which is, you know, is that a lunatic, to be honest, considering how things are going these days, but I think primarily what your show has been about over the years is how to insulate yourself from, you know,

bullshit, but whether it's, you know, attacks on liberty, attacks on supply chains and things like that. Like what are you going to do if the power goes out as a good question, ask yourself.

Correct. What we call it modern survivalism. And we could also call it lifestyle design. But when I launched show in 2008, it was just a much better hook to call it survival than lifestyle design.

As far as the modern survival take, though, it was something that I kind of put together back then to, to point out that we do not need to throw away all modern technology, all modern convenience is to build redundancy and resiliency in our life.

So if you think back to when you were a kid in school, they took your calculator away. They taught you how to do math. And once you knew how to do the basic functions of math, they gave you your calculator back.

So when it comes to navigation, it's great to know how to orient with a compass and a map, but it doesn't mean I would never use a GPS.

So we're kind of bringing those two worlds together. And as we're building this, this lifestyle design, resiliency, which is preparedness, has got to be part of it because there will be failures.

There will be setbacks that there's no way you're getting through life on a straight linear course to exactly where you plan to be and get there exactly when you plan to get there, it just doesn't happen.

So any good designed system has places in it where you build in resiliency and redundancy, not if failure happens, but when failure occurs.

So a lot of people are destroyed financially just because they have no, they have no battery, no financial battery.

So you know, we talk about, you know, lights going out, having something like a generator and a battery bank or solar panels or something like that.

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