I'm Aiton Weinstein.

And I'm Naor Menninger.

And you're listening to Two Nice Jewish Boys.

High tech and innovation have brought many good things to the world.

Social media connected us to one another and in doing so gave power to the citizens of the world.

Search engines gave us access to knowledge, and the day may come when autonomous cars will

rid us of accidents on the road and save millions of lives. But startups may also have

dark sites. Facebook helped, unw unwittingly spread fake news and foreign

governments used it to intervene in the democratic process in America. Bitcoin

and other cryptocurrencies are used for drug and weapon trafficking, far

from the eyes of law enforcement. And then there's privacy. It's that thing we used to have and maybe

never will again. So innovation goes both ways. That we know. But what happens when companies

innovate to provide tools for governments to intercept their citizens' activities, extract information

about them, and maybe ultimately prosecute them, and

violate their basic human rights.

In recent years, more and more Israeli companies are blamed for doing exactly that.

In a huge investigative report on Haarets, one of Israel's leading newspapers, reporters

Haggars-Zav and Yan Jakobson delved into the dark pasts of a few of these

companies.

What they found was alarming.

Hagar Shazaf of Ahrethiqh Zaf of Ahrets joins us today to talk about the investigation and the

piece she co-wrote.

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