Episode 113: The 2025 Daytime Cursties (with Michael Hobbes)
In Bed With The Right
Adrian Daub and Moira Donegan
4.8 • 662 Ratings
🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 98 minutes
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Summary
It's cold outside, the Holidays are here, and you know what that means: It's Cursed-Discourse Awards-Season, motherf@ckers! Not-even-close-to-live from a theatre miles away from the Dolby Theater, it's the Third Annual Cursties!!! For the third year in a row, Moira, Adrian and special guest Michael Hobbes give out awards for the most cursed discourses around sex and gender for 2025. Problem is: we've dealt with so many cursed discourses around sex and gender in 2025, and pretty much all cursed discourses seem to have with gender panic these days. And In Bed with the Right has covered so so so so many of them!
So we decided to narrow our noms to one particular genre of cursedness this year, and to present awards for ... drumroll ... achievements in anti-wokeness.! From queer tieflings to kids getting coddled in the 4th dimension, from socialist mayors (and not the one you're thinking of!) to French people teaching Americans how to islamophobia, to the world's creepiest Blue Man Group, this one has something for everybody!
Some links to articles we mention:
-- Matt Bernstein's in-depth episode on the long dark road of Debra Messing can be found here
-- Adrian's New Republic article about a row over "islamogauchisme" in France can be found here
-- Michele Goodwin's interview with Jess Michaels as part of her series Surviving Epstein can be found here
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Adrian Dobb. |
| 0:08.9 | And I'm Weirot again. |
| 0:10.2 | Whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right. |
| 0:14.0 | So, Adrian, today we are joined once again by our very special guest and friend of the show, Michael Hobbs. Hi, Michael. |
| 0:54.2 | I can't believe you guys just go into recording the show and you don't just hang out for 30 minutes before you start. You hit record and then you're like, welcome to In Bed with the Right. Yeah, we're an all-business podcast now. Yeah. We just start recording. We're like, how was your week? What have you been up to? What do you think of this album? Well, look, I mean, like, if that comes up organically, we also, we are really thrilled that you're joining us and that you would grace this little award show with your star Wadage and charisma, you know, for the third year in a row. So, like, we want to be very mindful of your time. I'm taking time out of my busy reading terrible bullshit schedule to read some terrible bullshit with you guys. I also heard that we took you away |
| 1:00.4 | from a bouldering wall. Oh yeah, I was bouldering earlier and now I'm like kind of sleepy. So you might |
| 1:05.5 | just get long silences and like deep breaths from me over here. That's the Invid with the right |
| 1:09.9 | promise, folks. Long silences, deep breaths. I'm just announcing that I'm at my worst. And then if I'm okay, then you'll be pleasantly surprised. I do this in all interactions now. Nice. Nice. Yeah, I mean, we weren't recording for the gold material before this, which was that Michael explained to him more what bouldering was, |
| 1:28.7 | which is very funny to me. |
| 1:30.4 | Some gay men don't have limp wrists. |
| 1:31.8 | Some of us have very strong wrists. |
| 1:33.5 | Yeah. |
| 1:33.9 | Battling stereotypes. |
| 1:35.3 | That's right. |
| 1:36.7 | So when we approached you about this, about the third annual Kirsties, you were like, |
| 1:42.0 | wait, is this the one about most cursed discourses of sex and gender? How are you going to do this? You've already done them all. And it's like, yeah, fuck, we did a lot. It's been a busy year for sex and gender. I don't know if you heard. And we were here for a lot of it. You guys are out of Helens to talk about. That's right. Problematic Helens. Should we introduce the Kirsties? Because this is our tradition, but perhaps not every listener. |
| 2:04.6 | Yeah. guys are out of Helens to talk about. That's right. Problematic Helens. Should we introduce the Kirsties? |
| 2:01.6 | Because this is our tradition, but perhaps not every listener. |
| 2:04.6 | Yeah. |
| 2:04.9 | Has come with us. |
| 2:06.5 | This is our annual rundown of, as you may have heard, the most cursed discourses around |
| 2:13.3 | sex and gender of the year. |
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