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It's Complicated

Episode 111 | Can Trump Really Fire Anyone He Wants?

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.8 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Hosts Renato Mariotti and Asha Rangappa are joined by NYU Professor Rachel Barkow to talk about the eroding institutional checks on executive power, and ask: Can Trump fire anyone at will? Subscribe to our Patreon here, where paid members will get access to exclusive portions of this show: patreon.com/reallyamericanmedia Asha, a Yale University National Security Law professor and former FBI special agent, and Renato, a former federal prosecutor, analyze just how far Trump has gone to undermine the independence of executive agencies. Rachel Barkow, author of Justice Abandoned: How the Supreme Court Ignored the Constitution and Enabled Mass Incarceration, breaks down the Supreme Court's pivotal role in defining the limits of executive power—and explores the historical precedents that Trump’s “Unitary Executive Theory” is threatening to undo.  Rachel walks us through the story of Humphrey’s Executor v. United States, a seminal 1935 Supreme Court case that affirmed Congress's authority to restrict the President’s power to remove certain agency officials. Barkow also discusses how the modern Supreme Court could change these longstanding precedents, and lead to a cascade of global consequences. But it's not just about what's happening in Washington—the trio decodes how these transformations might impact average Americans, industries, and financial institutions. And we’ll tackle the broader human implications and moral considerations of these power plays.  Be sure to join us next week, as Asha and Renato continue to bring clarity to the complex issues that can’t be boiled down to simple sound bites, right here on It’s Complicated. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

So Renato, can Trump just fire anyone he wants?

0:04.0

It's complicated.

0:10.0

I'm Asha Rangappa.

0:12.0

I teach national security law at Yale University.

0:15.0

I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News.

0:19.0

And I'm Renato Mariariati. I'm a former federal for ABC News. And I'm Renata Marietti.

0:21.6

I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal analyst.

0:26.6

And I'm Rachel Barko.

0:27.9

I'm a law professor at NYU, and I have a book coming out next week called Justice Abandon

0:32.7

How the Supreme Court Ignored the Constitution and Enabled Mass Incarceration.

0:43.3

And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down into a soundbite or a steat.

0:56.9

So we have a great guest here to explain something that definitely cannot be boiled down into a soundbite or eskete. Renato, I'm not sure if you took admin law. So I'm going to make a confession. I took

1:05.7

admin law, but I did not really attend much of admin law.

1:13.0

Who did you take it with?

1:16.3

Actually, I don't even remember.

1:17.6

I don't even remember.

1:19.1

But it was a long time ago.

1:19.9

Yeah.

1:23.8

Admin is in there with like federal courts.

1:25.4

You know, I've told you that I took it. And all I remember is Professor Resnick drawing a bunch of buckets

1:28.7

on the chalkboard with arrows going from the buckets. I agree with you. Like admin, I did

1:35.1

attend and I think I have like a vague understanding, but you know, I know that Rachel can break

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