Ladies and gentlemen, two men from opposite ends of the physical, cultural and emotional spectrums, flats and shanks.

Hello everyone and welcome to episode 11 of our weekly podcast. I'm David Flatman. Tom Shanklin.

Hi Tom. All right, mate.

So, today we're very lucky. We are in a corporate box at Sandy Park down at Exeter the Chiefs and we are joined for the pod by Exeter the Chiefs and England Winger Jack Noel.

Right, Noel Z. How you doing, Major?

Yeah, very good. Very good. How are you?

I'm all right, mate. I'm all right after today. Glad to be finally got a win.

Yeah, so those of you that didn't keep up with the Anglo-World Cup this weekend, shame on you.

Exeter the Chiefs just absolutely battered Cardiff, didn't they, Noel Z.

They did, they did. But it was like a team of kids, that Cardiff team. Shanks, you're from Cardiff, you commented on BT Sport.

How many of those lads did you know?

First gig. I always joke about pretending I was covering games, but I'm not. I'm just going to watch them really. It actually was.

I'm commenting today. I didn't really recognise anyone. There's a couple. Kirby, my hill at Hooker.

Signed from the Scarlet Slush. James Down, Second Row and Queen Williams was...

I didn't want you to list them mate, I just wanted to know.

Now, Green Williams is...

Green Williams, a promising young kid, isn't he, from Wales?

Very, very promising mate. He's played last week, scored a trial too, I can't quite remember, but he's been with the Welsh team for weeks,

so he's been holding the tap with Shion again, battered probably.

Independent draws, but they think highly of him, and he looked okay today, but it was meant against boys, wouldn't it?

Yeah, it was. Noel Z. I mean, I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but I guess when you see me, you always think, you know, a pretty well-dressed guy and makes an effort, yeah?

Of course. I look at Shanks today having done his first...

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