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TROJAN WAR:  THE PODCAST

EPISODE 11 “ACHILLES DISHONORED”

TROJAN WAR: THE PODCAST

Jeff Wright

History

4.8650 Ratings

🗓️ 26 August 2016

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

THE STORY:  (46 minutes)   Ten years into the siege of Troy a priest of Apollo arrives at the command tent of Agamemnon, Commander in Chief of the Greeks.  The priest makes a simple request of Agamemnon. Agamemnon refuses, and Greek soldiers die in the thousands.  And then things turn truly ugly… THE COMMENTARY:  DID A GUY NAMED HOMER EXIST, & DID HE WRITE THE ILIAD?  (16 minutes; begins at 46:00)  This particular episode of Trojan War: The Podcast brings our story arc into Homer’s Iliad itself.  I use the post-story commentary to discuss “all things Iliad” including:  who was/was there a Homer; how was the Iliad composed; and why do we have copies of the Iliad today?  I begin by reminding listeners that the first ten episodes of Trojan War: The Podcast are not found in Homer’s Iliad.  Rather, they are part of what scholars refer to as the Trojan War Epic Cycle:  a jambalaya of stories, bits of stories, accounts of bits of stories, and references to accounts of bits of stories, that have managed to survive, some from as early as the Bronze Age, up to now.  Those stories collectively “set the stage” for the events accounted in Homer’s Iliad:  events which only last a matter of months in this multi-decade war.  I then remind readers that - some episodes from now - our story will leave the Iliad, and continue on with more episodes drawn from the Trojan War Epic Cycle.  I then turn our conversation to the current academic consensus that there was no Homer, in the sense of a solitary author who created an original artistic work drawn completely from his own imagination.  The current consensus is that events recounted in the Iliad are drawn from centuries of oral storytelling tradition that predates Homer.  So “Homer”, it turns out, was either a brilliant compiler, editor and re-teller of existing stories from the oral tradition, which he then assembled into an artistic masterwork titled the Iliad (a group of Homeric scholars called “unitarians” subscribe to this view), or alternately, “Homers” was a collection of less-than-brilliant compiler(s) who assembled existing stories from the oral tradition into a great (but flawed) work titled the Iliad (the view held by Homeric scholars called “separatists” or “analysts”).  I confess to finding the arguments of unitarians and separatists/analysts equally compelling, depending on what section of the Iliad I am reading when I think about the question.  Then I get on with detailing how the Iliad managed to survive intact from creation (c. 700 B.C.E.) to the present day.  Finally, I confess to some trepidation in beginning to tell episodes drawn directly from the Iliad: one of the masterworks of Western literature.  I conclude by encouraging you to go read the Iliad for yourself – it’s a pretty good story!   Jeff RELATED CONTENT UNDERSTANDING BRONZE AGE HONOR: KLEOS, GERAS & TIME (PDF) RELATED LINKS GREEK MYTH COMIX (the Trojan War as a brilliant comic strip!) RELATED IMAGES

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You are listening to Trojan War, the podcast, history's most awesome epic.

0:20.9

This is episode number 11 in the series.

0:36.6

Today's episode is titled, Achilles Dishonored. So welcome to episode number 11 of Trojan War the podcast.

1:06.7

This episode is titled Achilles Dishonored.

1:10.7

Now, if you recall where we left things at the end of episode number 10, the episode titled

1:14.9

Beachhead, well, the Greeks had arrived on the beach of Troy, expecting a quick attack, a quick

1:21.9

siege of the city of Troy, and Agamemnon had promised that the entire thing would be over in a matter

1:26.4

of days in one glorious battle,

1:28.1

100,000 Greeks against 75,000 Trojans, winner take all.

1:33.4

And things had not worked out quite as Agamemnon had anticipated or planned.

1:39.7

The Trojans had refused to come out and fight,

1:41.9

and as a consequence, when every tactic

1:44.5

devised by the Greeks to get inside the walls of Troy had failed, well, the Greeks had decided

1:50.3

that their only strategy to bring Troy to its knees was to engage in a protracted siege warfare

1:56.0

against the city. So the Greeks had, well, hunkered down for the long haul. And the long haul, as I told you in the

2:04.0

previous episode, it turned out to be a very long haul indeed. In fact, as this episode opens,

2:10.8

the Greeks have now been sitting camped on the beach of Troy for a full decade. There they are. There's a hundred thousand men at arms

2:19.4

set up in large white canvas tents and they've essentially moved into the beach. They've taken over

2:23.8

and, well, they've decided that they're just going to sit there until either Troy starves to

2:28.0

bathe or until Hector Prince of Troy brings his army out to fight. Well, for all we know,

2:36.7

the siege against Troy could have gone on for not 10 years, 20 or 30 years. There's no idea how long this thing might have lasted. Had it not

2:42.6

been for a particular pivotal event, an innocuous-looking event initially, which happened early in the

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