Welcome everybody to Crystal Kyle and friends.

Today we're going to be talking to Ken Roth, formerly a human rights watch.

He was basically kind of fired slash de-platform slash blocked from a job he was guaranteed to

get at was a Harvard at Harvard because he dared to criticize Israel as a guy who literally

ran human rights watch.

Right.

I mean, beyond parity, right?

So now thankfully he was rehired after, you know, massive public shame after he wrote

a couple articles about it and all the news outlets picked it up, which by the way does

show pressure works.

Yeah, I mean, if you're fortunate enough to have a big national platform like he was

able to get access to, then, you know, you can, you can create this kind of support

and pressure campaign that has a chance of succeeding.

The question is if you don't have all that apparatus at your disposal, then what happens

to you?

And I think we all know the answer to that.

You know what it reminds me of when Jen Socky was the press secretary and the media asked

her, Hey, why don't we have free COVID tests?

And she was very smug and dismissive and like kind of laughing at it.

Yes.

And then media to their credit is a rare time, me giving credit to the media.

The media doubled down.

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