Episode 108, The Richard Dawkins Interview (Part II - Further Analysis and Discussion)
The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast
Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane
4.8 • 612 Ratings
🗓️ 19 June 2022
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Introduction
The flight of a hummingbird, the sprint of a cheetah, the breath of a whale, a daisy turning towards the sunlight. Given the complexity of the natural world, we can understand why – before the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species – people believed that the universe was the work of an intelligent designer. These days, however – although creationism continues to be defended by religious fundamentalists – the scientific consensus is that the world's organisms evolved through the long and arduous process of natural selection. 'With a complete physical explanation,' say the new atheists, 'there's no need to appeal to the supernatural.'
In this interview, we'll be discussing atheism with Professor Richard Dawkins. It's no exaggeration to say that Richard Dawkins is one of the most influential scientists, and the most famous atheist, of all time. Alongside his invaluable contributions to evolutionary biology, his books – including The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker, and The God Delusion – have a readership in the tens of millions, resulting in numerous prestigious awards and recognition as 'the world's top thinker'.
'Although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin', says Dawkins, 'Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.' It is time we seized that possibility: that we embrace the godless universe, craft our own meaning, and stop suffering fools gladly.
Contents
Part I. Why I'm an Atheist
Part II. Further Analysis and Discussion
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan |
| 0:07.0 | Scicast |
| 0:09.0 | Part 2, further analyses and discussion. |
| 0:26.6 | In your first world-altering book, The Selfish Gene, you describe nature as red in tooth and claw, |
| 0:32.5 | referring to the ruthless competitive state in which the world's creatures find themselves in. |
| 0:37.0 | As we spoke about in our last |
| 0:38.1 | installment, William Paley thought quite the opposite. And here's a quite an entertaining quote |
| 0:42.7 | from his book Natural Theology. Paley writes, it is a happy world after all. The air, the earth, the |
| 0:48.3 | water, team with delighted existence. In a spring noon or a summer evening, on whichever side I turn my eyes, |
| 0:55.2 | myriads of happy beings crowd upon my view. A bee amongst the flowers in spring is one |
| 1:00.2 | of the cheerfulness objects that could be looked upon. Its life appears to be all enjoyment |
| 1:05.0 | so busy and so pleased. Happiness is the rule, misery, the exception. Paley was around post-Darwin. |
| 1:11.7 | What kind of things would you point Paley towards in the natural world to knock him off |
| 1:15.5 | his optimistic pedestal? |
| 1:17.3 | Interestingly, that phrase nature read in tooth and claw, Tennyson, wrote it before the origin of species. |
| 1:22.4 | It was about eight years before. |
| 1:24.5 | Well, I mean, you can pick your arguments, you can pick your examples to illustrate |
| 1:28.8 | the benevolence of nature and just the reverse. Darwin himself pointed to the ignomonidy, a group of |
| 1:35.5 | parasitic wasps which lay their eggs in other insects caterpillars. The larvae then hatch out and |
| 1:42.5 | eat the victim alive from within. And parasitic |
| 1:47.1 | wasps do this. I'm not sure Darwin knew this, but they sting the victim in such a way that it's |
| 1:53.3 | paralyzed but doesn't rot. So it's still alive, which means, as it were, keeping fresh for the larva to |
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