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Weird Studies

Episode 108: On Skepticism and the Paranormal

Weird Studies

Phil Ford and J. F. Martel

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.8688 Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2021

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Modern skeptics pride themselves on being immune to unreason. They present themselves as defenders of rationality, civilization, and good sense against what Freud famously called the "black mud-tide of occultism." But what if skepticism was more implicated in the phenomena it aims to banish than it might appear to be? What if no one could debunk anything without getting some of that black mud on their hands? In this episode, Phil and JF discuss the weird complicity of the skeptic and the believer in the light of George P. Hansen's masterpiece of meta-parapsychology, The Trickster and the Paranormal. REFERENCES George P. Hansen, The Trickster and the Paranormal James Randi, stage magician and paranormal debunker Michael Shermer, American science writer CSICOP, Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal, Publisher of the Skeptical Inquirer Rune Soup, Interview with George P. Hansen Weird Studies, Episode 24 with Lionel Snell Weird Studies, Episode 89 on Ishmael Reed’s Mumbo Jumbo Victor Turner, The Ritual Process: Structure and Anti-Structure Wouter Hanegraaff, Dutch professor of esoteric philosophy Shannon Taggart, Seance Society for Psychical Research Weird Studies, Episode 44 on William James’s Psychical Research G. K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy Robert Anton Wilson, American author Aleister Crowley, Magic Without Tears Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Spectrevision Radio

0:03.3

Welcome to Weird Studies, an arts and philosophy podcast with hosts Phil Ford and J.F. Martel.

0:23.3

For more episodes or to support the podcast, go to weirdst. I'm J.F. Martel.

0:53.0

In his seminal work, the trickster and the paranormal.

0:56.4

The parapsychologist George P. Hansen argues that the modern skeptical movement, that

1:01.3

rogue's gallery of debunkers, exposers, and acolytes of doubt, is irremediably implicated in the

1:08.0

unreason it seeks to eradicate. When Freud told Carl Jung that psychoanalysis was to act as, quote,

1:14.6

a bulwark against the black mud tide of the occult, I think he was saying something similar.

1:20.6

With the emphasis had put on dreams, fantasy, automatism, and unconscious drives,

1:25.9

Freudian psychoanalysis was in attempt to fight fire with fire,

1:29.5

to tame unreason by means of the same. It's telling that while Freud held up as talking cure

1:34.7

as the crowning achievement of the Enlightenment, there were positivists just down the street who would

1:39.9

soon peg it as troubling evidence that the Enlightenment had failed to banish the old gods.

1:45.4

One person's bulwark is another's open floodgate. We live in a mysterious universe,

1:51.2

and it often seems to me that no part of it is wholly untouched by the ambient mystery.

1:56.2

I can't help but see in the likes of James Randy, the stage magician who devoted his life

2:00.7

to debunking

2:01.3

supernatural claims, an attempt not so much to prove that the weird doesn't exist, but to

2:06.3

inoculate us against its very real presence. In a way, Randy and his fellow skeptics

2:11.7

attune us to the weird, because even as they do the decidedly noble work of exposing the faith-healing

2:17.1

quacks,

2:17.8

fraudulent mediums, and masters of Legerdomain who beguile a credulous and exploit the desperate,

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