This episode 1076, 1076 and this is the role of a podcast.

Here in Orlando, I'm your host Cameron Strang, and joining me from Loverland, Virginia is Jesse Kerry.

Although no, from Nashville to the sea are very own downtown Emily Brown.

Hey, yo.

And just down the road in Nashville, to his studio, tired from mixing the mastering.

So tired that he's not even showing his face.

He is wearing a ski mask, artist producer Mogul, Derek Meiner.

Hello, everything okay?

No, no, it's not.

Let's hear it.

But then here, man, this is a safe space.

Yeah, please.

If I have to hear these dead-owned songs one more time, like you did the pontoon mix after hearing that album on the pontoon speakers,

you're like, I got to dial in something.

Yeah, is that still what you're working on?

It's not just a pontoon boat.

So here's a thing.

You listen, I listen to a song, 1,117 times.

So when you first hear it, you like it.

So by the time you like it, I now hate it.

Then that's how this goes.

And then you got to go perform it for the next year.

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