Welcome to the Raising Boys and Girls podcast. I'm Sissy Gough.

I'm David Thomas. And I'm Melissa Trevathan.

And we are so glad you've set us out a few minutes to spend with us today.

In each episode of this podcast, we'll share some of what we're learning in the work we do with

kids and families on a daily basis at Days Are Counseling in Nashville, Tennessee.

Our goal is to help you care for the kids in your life with a little more understanding,

a little more practical help and a whole lot of hope.

So pull up a chair and join us on this journey from our little yellow house to yours.

Crystal Payne is a friend, a returning podcast guest, a wife, a mom of six, speaker,

podcaster, New York Times bestselling author and online entrepreneur, best known for founding

moneysavingmom.com. Her new book, The Times Saving Mom, is a real world, no nonsense guide,

to keeping you sane and doing the things you love most.

We are so honored to have you back for a second time for our podcast just so excited to talk to you.

Yes. And some family things have shifted in a really beautiful way since we saw you last.

We you start there. Tell us a little bit about yourself, a little bit about your family.

And then we're excited to talk about your new book.

Yes. It is such an honor to be back. Thank you so much for having me.

Yes. So we have six kids. I was just telling you that we are getting ready to launch our oldest.

She is 18 and then we have a 15 year old who is actually a junior. So we get to do the senior thing

two years in a row. And I don't know what we were thinking when we said, yes, sure, you can test

up and be in a higher grade. But here we are. And so we have a senior and junior. And then we have

a 13 year old, almost 14 year old. And then 10 years of secondary infertility. And then we have a

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