Episode 107 -- Did Women Ruin Everything?

In Bed With The Right

Adrian Daub and Moira Donegan

Health & Fitness, Sexuality, Society & Culture

4.8 • 661 Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Moira walks Adrian through "The Great Feminization" -- a recent talk/essay that took the right wing by storm, and that subsequently got its author invited to discuss women ruining things in the New York Times. The essay posited that women's entry into the American workforce is to blame for ... wokeness? General societal disorder? The Decline of the West (TM)? Among the topics this episode touches on: the reasons why ideas like these are catching on at this particular moment; the reconceptualization of class distinction through (supposed) gender markers; the history of the "Great Feminization" thesis, and its relationship to "anti-liberal" and other "anti-woke" thinking on the Right.

A few links:

-- Helen Andrews, "The Great Feminization"

-- "Did Liberal Feminism Ruin the Workplace?", Helen Andrews in Conversation with Leah Libresco Sargeant and Ross Douthat

-- Becca Rothfeld's review of Leah Libresco Sargeant's The Dignity of Dependence, which Moira mentioned in the episode, can be found here.

Transcript

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0:00.0	The most important sex difference in group dynamics is attitude to conflict.
0:03.7	In short, men wage conflict openly while women covertly undermine or ostracize their enemies.
0:10.0	Well, you'll be happy to hear, Helen, that we are currently waging open conflict
0:14.6	and Maura is not interested in covertly undermining or ostracizing you.
0:18.9	You suck.
0:19.6	I will, you know, in my feminine nature,
0:23.2	suggest an attempt to persuade Helen Andrews to go fuck herself.
0:33.3	Hello, I'm Adrienne Dob. And I'm We're down again. Whether we like it or not,
0:37.1	we're in bed with the right.
0:40.0	So, Adrian, first things first, our listeners have to come hang out with us in San Francisco.
0:47.2	This episode is going to come out on Tuesday, November 18th.
0:52.8	Our live show is Thursday, November 20th at the Swedish American Hall on Market Street at San Francisco. There's still a few tickets left. Come hang out. It's going to be really fun. So literally run, don't walk. If you walk, it's going to be too late. Yeah, if you walk, it'll be Thursday. Come hang out with us. We're going to have a really
1:12.1	good time because we're going to be talking about something a little like what we're talking about
1:19.2	today, which just drove me so fucking nuts, Adrian. Like I had, as I think I was supposed to, a little bit of a meltdown, and we
1:31.0	weren't totally sure what we were going to do for this week's episode. And then, whoops, I wrote
1:35.3	11 pages in this document. So you're coming with me on this sick, sad journey. Yeah, but when
1:42.0	this headline dropped, my first thought was like, is this bait? I think just baiting more at this point. And when we told our producer, Margaret Sizumi, what we were recording on, he immediately clocked what this was going to be about to. He was like, oh, yeah, that article, or that podcast episode, I guess. It was meant for people like us to respond to and fuck it, here we go, right?
2:01.8	Yeah, here's your slop, Peggy's.
2:03.7	This is me speaking to Helen Andrews, who I am going to be talking about in like ad hominem terms that undermine my own professionalism,
2:13.4	just to give you guys a little trigger warning.
2:15.6	Because today we are talking about the reality that I know has been bothering all of us for a long time.
2:22.8	The fact that women have ruined the world.
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