Welcome, my buddy, to Crystal Kyle and Friends. I am here with Crystal. My name is Kyle, hence the name, Crystal, Kyle and Friends.

Yes, all of you are the friends, at least the ones of you who have subscribed on Substance.

So today we'll be talking to Will Mennaker of Chapo Trap House, one of my favorite podcasts, if I don't say so myself, enjoy listening to Chapo, especially on those long drives from New York to DC.

Yeah, smart, quick, funny.

Yeah, they have great rapport, those guys. They really do.

That's a rare thing too. It takes some special alchemy to get that kind of chemistry going.

Yeah, and they were fellow Bernie Bros during the era.

We were sort of leading the charge. You remember when Jack had been wrote that piece about me.

There was a line in there that was like, they didn't mean to take a shot at Chapo, but it kind of was.

No, I don't remember.

Okay, well, in the piece.

I remember the piece, but I don't remember a lot.

Yeah, in the piece, they were like, he's got a triple size audience of Chapo.

I remember reading that going, I like those guys, don't I feel bad. Anyway, I don't even know if that's true.

Maybe at the time it was true.

I'm not sure what Patrick that is.

Yeah, I mean, they don't do.

You're looking at YouTube.

They don't do YouTube.

They don't do just YouTube, right?

They're mostly, they mostly are just a podcast.

And so it's apples to apples to orange comparison anyway.

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