Hi, James. Ben, how are you? I'm okay, a little tired. It's been a, I, I was on a vacation,

and then I was back in Taiwan for 24 hours, and then I was off. Usually I don't like to say

when I'm traveling. I like to be incognito. I'm like a spy, flitting around the world,

but I was at the Code Media Conference, which they kindly or unkindly posted an article about it,

so most people know.

So I am here.

I'm in Los Angeles, and I'm happy to talk to you.

Yeah.

If you are going to be incognito, I would either recommend don't get your phone calls recorded

by the American Intelligence Service or don't have recode post photos of you all over the

internet. Both of those things are good if you want to stay incognito. Well, I guess I'm kind of screwed on both

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