Hello, I'm Sophia Lusbexter and welcome to Spinning Plates, the podcast where I speak to

to busy working women who also happen to be mothers about how they make it work.

I'm a singer and I've released seven albums in between having my five sons aged 16 months to 16 years,

so I spin a few plates myself.

Being a mother can be the most amazing thing,

but can also be hard to find time for yourself and your own ambitions.

I want to be a bit nosy and see how other people balance everything.

Welcome to spinning plates.

Hey, hey, it's me again, and it's you again. And how are you? I say you again, presuming you've visited spinning plates before. Maybe you haven't. If you're new, welcome. What brought you here today? Maybe you wanted to hear about my guest, Ruby Hammer. So Ruby is somebody I first worked with a

really long time ago actually. She's a brilliant makeup artist and she's also an entrepreneur.

She's released her in makeup range. She still has makeup products now. She has some lovely pens and

things like that, pencils and brushes. She really knows her stuff. She's been doing

what she does for a really long time and she's very skilled. And so whenever I've had my makeup done by

her, it's that nice feeling of feeling very safe hands. Also very good at skin. She takes good care

of your skin when she's doing it. Sounds like an obvious thing, but not every makeup artist sort of does nice things to your skin before they start. Ruby

always does. And I used to have a lot of her products when she had a brand called Ruby and Millie.

In fact, it'd probably horrify her. I think I still own some, even though they're probably

a good 15 years old. I don't know the ethics of that,

but whatever. It's my face. But yes, complete joy to speak to Ruby. It was actually a little

while ago. Now, we spoke earlier in the year, and I'm not just not sure. For one reason or another,

now felt like the serendipitous time to publish our chat. So you have to picture us back in and sort of, I think it was more like springtime, went around to our lovely house, and had such a good chat. She was about to have her little grandson over. Her baby grandson was going to be looking after him for a while because she's now a grandma too

but we had such a good conversation about generations about when your children become adults and

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