Episode 104: Jackie Ess
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 15 November 2021
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Tuck speaks with Jackie Ess (she/her), author of Darryl. Topics include:
- The future of trans literature (whatever that means)
- Writing from the outside and avoiding tokenization
- How to avoid being the worst kind of reader
- Hints to the subjects of Jackie's next two books
- Plus: Jonathan Franzen, Jack Harlow, Casey Plett, Torrey Peters, Hugo Grotius, and the Situation?
This Week in Gender: Para sports and the Paralympics. (You can read WBC's trans inclusion policy here.)
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Associate Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: "Friction Model" by Blue Dot Sessions
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| 0:30.0 | Welcome to gender reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:51.0 | I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuckwood Stock. |
| 1:01.0 | Hey everyone, hope you're all hanging in there. This week on the show, it is a joy and a privilege to share my conversation with Jackie S, who you hopefully already know as the author of Daryl. |
| 1:14.0 | In Daryl, Jackie writes from the perspective of a cis question mark white guy, and in this interview, we talk about why she chose to do that as someone who is neither cis nor white. |
| 1:25.0 | For me, the irony there is I'm like, this is the way that I think that people wanted me to write about my own identity. |
| 1:32.0 | And I'm like, no, no, no, but I'll give you the voice. |
| 1:35.0 | We also talk about maintaining privacy as an author, doing bits, and also Jonathan, Franzen, and Jack Harlow for some reason. |
| 1:43.0 | And of course, I want to be the industry baby. |
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| 2:26.0 | And as always, 100% of proceeds go to trans people and trans organizations. |
| 2:31.0 | And now it's time for this week in gender. |
| 2:37.0 | You may remember that in last week's episode, Brittany Dela Crata and I talked briefly about the experience of trans and non binary athletes in the 2020 Olympics. |
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