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It's Complicated

Episode 103 | What does Trump’s Unconditional Discharge Mean for America?

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Welcome back to an all-new episode of It’s Complicated, where our hosts Asha Rangappa and Renato Mariotti help us navigate the complexities of the American criminal justice system. Subscribe to our Patreon here, where paid members will get access to exclusive portions of this show. patreon.com/reallyamericanmedia Asha, a national security law lecturer at Yale University and former FBI special agent, teams up with Renato, a seasoned former federal prosecutor and esteemed legal analyst, to propose a fundamental question: does the criminal justice system work? Well, it’s complicated. Asha and Renato discuss the news that Judge Marchan intends to sentence Trump to an unconditional discharge before his inauguration, raising questions about due process and the feasibility of enforcing a sentence against a sitting president.  We’ll also talk about how The Manhattan District Attorney’s hesitancy in pursuing a case against Trump earlier underscores the importance of prosecutorial decision-making, and political timeliness. Their delays cascaded onto federal case postponements and set a dangerous precedent for the future. Speaking of federal courts, our hosts take a broader look at judicial responsibility, and dissect Chief Justice Roberts' recent menacing rebuke of criticism directed toward the Supreme Court. We’ll set the record straight: It’s on the Supreme Court to avoid the controversy that creates the criticism, such as those surrounding the insurrection on January 6th.  Asha and Renato also share their take on the normalization of violence in society–like we’ve seen with Trump’s intention to pardon the January 6th rioters. They use the case of Luigi Mangione to illustrate how sensational coverage and the societal normalization of violence signals a deep-seated restlessness and a myriad of systemic issues. Despite the complicated nature of things right now, our hosts call on us all to channel our energy and remain engaged in this new year. And to join us next time, as we continue to tackle the complex issues of law and justice that shape our everyday lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So, Renato, does our criminal justice system even work?

0:36.8

It's complicated.

0:42.3

I'm Renata Marietti.

0:44.3

I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal analyst.

0:49.0

And I'm Asha Rangappa.

0:50.8

I teach national security law at Yale University.

0:53.3

I'm a former FBI special agent,

0:55.9

and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News. And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be

1:02.0

boiled down into a soundbite or a ski. So, Asha, we're back from our New Year's celebrations. We get a long-awaited opinion from Judge

1:16.3

Mershan. And the opinion basically says that he's going to go forward with sentencing before

1:24.8

Trump is inaugurated on January 10th.

1:30.3

So 10 days before inauguration, but Trump can appear via Zoom and he's going to impose

1:37.8

unconditional discharge as the sentence, which means no sentence at all.

1:44.6

Yeah. This is like, womp, wom means no sentence at all. Yeah.

1:45.2

This is like, wamp, womp.

1:48.3

It's like, what are we doing here?

1:49.9

Like, what was that all about?

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