Welcome to the Nothing Is Wasted Podcast, conversations designed to help you as you live, learn and lead through pain.

And now the host of the Nothing Is Wasted podcast, Davy Blackburn.

Hello, welcome to the Nothing Is Wasted Podcast. My name is Davy. I'm your

host and joining me again for this special month of guest co-host, Justinrelker justine it is so good to have you back

thank you I'm excited well we're in part three of our toxic relationship series we have an

incredible interview today with Gary Thomas which I'm not sure if you're like me, but I kind of like started out marriage, you know originally when I was getting married to my late wife Amanda and read Gary Thomas's stuff and like had

become a huge fan of his work and then when we had the opportunity to interview him I was

so excited but I was so intrigued because he was the guy that was constantly

talking about marriage being about your holiness and not your happiness and sticking to relationships

and then he comes out with this book called

when to walk away. Yeah and so good. And you know as someone who is kind of

now experienced brokenness and walked with

people in brokenness, there's not as hard a line, you know, black and white lines drawn in

life. There is a lot more gray and wisdom involved in so many different things and so I'm excited for the listener to hear his thoughts on all this.

And of course we've got Deborah Faleta, our resident counselor back at the very

end of this interview. She's going to be providing some commentary on this, but I

wanted to make sure that you and I had a chance to talk a little bit about.

He just he schooled in this interview.

I'm telling you.

Which I loved, as a therapist, I loved it.

Yes.

Well, you know, and that's where his work came from.

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