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Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekiniano show. I'm here with Darl Cooper once again. How are you doing?

Darl. Good man. It's always good to be here with you. Thanks. Well, thank you for joining me today. This is a week where an announcement came down that for those of us who actually know who runs foreign policy and who influences foreign policy, it was a huge announcement that Victoria Newland was stepping down as I think it was what was she

under secretary? Yeah, yeah people like her know, their titles come and go, but she's sort of one of those

undead creatures in Washington that no matter who's the Republican, Democrat Dick Cheney, you know, Joe Biden, doesn't matter, like she kind of always

hangs around and they maintain that consistency of policy over the course of, you know of many administrations that has not ended well.

And hopefully the fact that she's stepping down,

I mean, she's going to land on her feet.

Don't worry about that.

I'm sure she'll have a nice gig at Harvard or something soon, but it may signal that the policy that she's headed up in Eastern Europe since, you know, she was hired to her current position in 2013

2014 when my done happened that that maybe we're deciding that that we've got to

accept defeat on that front and move on.

So hopefully that's the case.

When you see someone like her step down,

someone who's such a permanent fixture

in what you would call the administrative state really.

What's your action?

Well, you know, there's a lot of sort of musical chairs going on with things like this, and so you have to look at who she's replaced by.

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