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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 102, The Richard Swinburne Interview (Part II - Further Analysis and Discussion)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Education, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Courses

4.8612 Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2021

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

The existence of God is the most discussed, and perhaps the most important, question in philosophy. For the majority of the world's population, God provides meaning, morality, metaphysics, and hopefully, salvation.

A rich history of scholarship defending God's existence has meant theism has long been considered to be a reasonable worldview; however, with the rise of secularism and the new atheist movement, a fiery and passionate debate has ensued: one of science vs. religion. Our question: can the two be reconciled?

In this episode, we'll be discussing God's existence with one of contemporary philosophy's most influential thinkers, Professor Richard Swinburne. Best known for his great trilogy of books – The Coherence of Theism, The Existence of God, and Faith and Reason – Professor Swinburne's impact on philosophy of religion has been enormous... from high school classrooms to university halls, every teacher knows his name and every student must wrestle with his work.

According to Swinburne, theism is the friend – and not the enemy – of science; for God 'explains everything that we observe', from the universe's existence and the scientific laws which operate within it, to its extraordinary miracles and conscious creatures. 'If we want a complete explanation of the universe', says Swinburne, 'then science needs God.'


Contents

Part I. Is there a God?

Part II. Further Analysis and Discussion


Transcript

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Part 2 Part two, further analyses and discussion.

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Now, Richard, one really interesting aspect of your argument is your appeal to consciousness,

0:32.5

a topic we've discussed at great length on the show before.

0:36.0

You tell us that the mystery of consciousness,

0:38.3

the origin of that what it's likeness, can't be explained by the materialist atheist,

0:44.3

and therefore this counts as evidence in favor of theism. As you put it yourself, quote,

0:49.3

at some time in evolutionary history, bodies of complex animals became connected to souls, and this is

0:55.2

something utterly beyond the power of science. A couple of questions come to mind when I read that

1:00.3

extract. First, at what points and why would a soul attach to the body of an animal?

1:07.3

Let's go back a little. The first claim is that nothing like contemporary science could possibly explain that.

1:14.8

There is to say contemporary science is concerned with the interactions of physical particles,

1:22.4

but the brain consists of physical particles interacting, but they produce thoughts and feelings and desires

1:29.7

and so on, which is something extra, because to talk about desires and so on doesn't

1:36.0

entail goings on in the brain, nor conversely. It is possible, logically possible, even if

1:43.3

isstemically possible.

1:45.1

There might be laws connecting certain brain states with certain conscious states.

1:52.2

The trouble is that there would have to be a few billion such laws because although you can

2:00.0

analyze physical goings on in terms of the interaction

2:04.8

of 30 or so different kinds of particles having four or five different kinds of forces,

2:12.5

you only need a few laws to do this.

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