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Well, hello, sun shines.

Welcome to laughter permitted. I'm Julie Fowty.

I'm Lino Zawi.

You know, to village Lynn and I pride ourselves

on being capital J journalist.

But our guest today is on a level of journalist

that we both respect so damn much.

Yeah, it's not just capital J journalist.

It's like all caps double italics underline 800 point font J journalist.

That's right. We have the pleasure of spending time with the incomparable writer reporter,

author, human Sally Jenkins, Janks as I call her.

And I don't know if you all in the dope village have a writer who, when they write an article,

you think I need I need to read that like I need to read that right now.

Well, that is Jenkins for me.

She got she just cuts straight to the heart of the matter and literally slaves dragons in the best

of ways. And Sally Jenkins has been a columnist and feature writer for the Washington Post

for more than 20 years before that. She was with sports illustrated.

She was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 2020 and in 2021 was named the winner of the

associated press red Smith Award for outstanding contributions to sports journalism.

She is the author of 12 books, four of them, New York Times bestsellers, including the number one

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