I'm Aiton Weinstein. And I'm Naor Menninger. And you're listening to Two Nice Jewish Boys.

Behind every great man stands a great political strategist. As far as political earthquakes go,

Donald Trump's victory in November 2016 was at least an

8 on the Richter scale. Right up until the last second, no one saw it coming. But a few people

were probably less surprised than most of us, and one of them is surely Steve Bannon. Considered by

many to be the architect of Trump's rise to the White House, Bannon is certainly a controversial figure.

To most, he's either the despicable leader of the alt-right or the savior of American pride and nationalism.

And to the rest, he's an enigma.

Luckily, though, we've got Gaddi Taub.

About a month ago, Dr. Taub, a senior lecturer at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem,

was able to sit down for about two hours with the man himself. You can find his in-depth

analysis piece on the Ha'are's website. Although Bannon's been dismissed from the administration,

it seems that he might be the key to understanding the currents of change that took place

and that are continuing

to take place in America, as well as the Jews' place in all this mess.

We're thrilled to welcome back Gaddi to the podcast to disambiguate Bannonism once

and for all.

This podcast is made in collaboration with the Jewish Journal.

But before we get to Steve Bannon, what do you think about, how do you call it in English?

The nation law?

The nation state law, yeah.

Nation state law. Are you pro-law, against the law?

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