Episode 1017: Ego, Authority & Tactical Empathy — Lessons from a 20-Year Hostage Negotiator
Street Cop Podcast
Street Cop Training
4.9 • 967 Ratings
🗓️ 23 February 2026
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Dennis talks with Derek Gaunt, former commander and elite hostage negotiator, about the hidden mistakes leaders make when they rely on authority and pressure. Derek shares lessons from nearly three decades in law enforcement and how those same principles now help executives, entrepreneurs, and investors make better decisions. If you want to influence people without escalating conflict — and lead without letting ego sabotage outcomes — this conversation is packed with insight.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey guys, if you're not a member of the street cop community, you're missing out. |
| 0:02.5 | It is where you can find all the e-books and all the resources that I put out to help you do your job better. |
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| 0:11.0 | Just look for the link there and we'll see you inside the community. |
| 0:13.4 | You're talking about a generation that has had everything handed to them. |
| 0:18.0 | Everything. |
| 0:19.0 | Everything. Everything. |
| 0:24.2 | And it's not 100% evil. |
| 0:29.1 | Everybody who has kids wants the kids' life to be better than what they had. |
| 0:39.4 | You're trying to be a street cop. |
| 0:42.4 | Hey guys, welcome this episode of the Street Cop Training podcast. |
| 0:44.1 | My host founder and CEO Street Cop Training. |
| 0:47.2 | Today we have a great guest, part of the Black Swan Group. |
| 0:52.2 | You might know that group from their founder, who wrote a fantastic book. |
| 1:13.9 | That's one of the only books that I've read two or three times. But with that being said, it's up what we're here about, never split the difference is not it for today. But it is a fantastic book. But today we have Derek. Is it Gaunt? Is that how you say it? Gone. Yep. Gant. Like skinny. Beautiful. Derek Gaunt is here. And we're going to be going through some cool shit. |
| 1:14.9 | So stay tuned. |
| 1:15.7 | It's going to be a great episode. |
| 1:23.5 | Derek, can you give us some context of maybe your upbringing, how you got into law enforcement, your career and what you're doing now? |
| 1:24.1 | Yeah. |
| 1:26.6 | So, you know, after I graduated high school, I wandered. |
| 1:27.8 | I was like Kane from Kung Fu. |
| 1:31.7 | I wandered the universe or the earth for quite some time. |
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